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Re: CCIE position in Dallas [3:5608] posted 11/10/2002
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I agree with Eriks version whole heartedly....
As far as salary in Dallas, if someone is a ccna and making more
than 70K, keep the job..because your overpaid...


For the cost of living in Dallas, the salary offered is more than 
adequate...

Larry

Erik Smith wrote:

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jesus Velazquez" 
>
>Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:56:22 GMT
>To: jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>Subject: RE: CCIE position in Dallas [3:5608]
>
>>also, going back to Larus' comparison of ccie to grocery clerk,
>>
>that's
>
>>absurd. a cashier doesn't have the responsibility that a ccie has
>>
>when
>
>>designing, consulting for or troubleshooting a corporate,
>>
>government,
>
>>private or public network. not to descredit any job or profession
>>
>but would
>
>>you use the same analogy for a doctor, lawyer, etc...probably
>>
>not. i hope
>
>>this is a joke is right because what is next a desktop
>>
>support/webmaster/ccie for 65k????
>
>I can say from experience that being a cashier is markedly harder
>than ANY of the techncial work I've ever done.	It's thankless,
>demoralizing, soul-crushing work that doesn't even pay enough to keep
>yourself out of poverty.
>
>The service industry beats down good and bad people alike because
>they're disposable.  It's so easy to get another face to deal with
>the public that they don't bother investing any more than they
>absolutely have to in their people.  They also foster rather hostile
>workplaces and environments - all for just a little more
>"customer satisfaction" or shaving a few more pennies off
>prices.
>
>>I will close by saying that as long ccie's keep settling for low
>>
>rates that
>
>>is what the going rate will become. unfortunately there a lot of
>>foreigners/immigrants with working visa in the US that will
>>
>settle for any
>
>>pay rate which drives the salary range way down meanwhile the
>>
>average
>
>>American IT professional gets laid off or has to settle for less.
>>
>thanks to
>
>>corporate America and INS.
>>
>
>I think the blame lies with timeless supply and demand rather than
>conspiracy against the professional class.
>
>The supply of networking professionals has increased markedly over
>the past decade while the demand is momentarily weak.  This will
>depress wages in ANY field.  Look for the industry to need BODIES
>again as the good times return.
>
>As far as I know, the number of H1Bs in the country has never been
>sufficient to displace any large number of IT professionals.
>
>Of course, I say all this from the outside.  As a CCNA with no
>networking experience outside of hands-on in school, I had to revert
>to my previous occupation - mechanical engineering and some sysadmin
>work - when it became apparent that I wasn't going to find work in
>the field.
>
>My two cents from the peanut gallery.
>
> - Erik Smith
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> Behalf Of
>Kevin O'Gilvie
>Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 2:27 PM
>To: jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>Subject: Re: CCIE position in Dallas [3:5608]
>
>
>Yes that is disgusting I make more then that now..
>I hope this is a joke!!
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "braver gary"
>To:
>Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 1:07 PM
>Subject: RE: CCIE position in Dallas [3:5608]
>
>
>>Gee 70K for a CCIE with some experience.  Wonder what a CCNA or
>>
>CCNP would
>
>>get.
>>
>>Kinda makes going for a CCIE demoralizing.
>>
>>gary




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