Nice thread huh? I thought I should start this one so you can get a sense
from other hiring managers and what their thoughts are. You also have to
remember about the economy as well.
Raymond Thomas
Vice President
Lewis Consultants International, Inc.
516-498-2300 ext. 104 (NY office)
646-526-6171 cell
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
Wilton White
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 9:33 PM
To: jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: CCIE salary is going down, should I take the offer?
[3:3543]
Hello!
It looks as though I am forced to jump into this one!
The only thing her husband had to do with her passing was providing
constant motivation to achieve what I knew she was capable of.... She had
the advantage of working in a position (Cisco TAC) that afforded a great
deal of experience with a variety of customer network topologies and
router/switch equipment. Prior to this, she had her MCSE and CCNA
certifications. The MCSE work failed to maintain her interest; her position
didn't provide enough challenge.
Her "interest" in routers came about when I had my first couple of routers
in our bedroom. She didn't have very nice things to say about Cisco back
then (smile), but after we moved in Houston to a place with an additional
bedroom (for the equipment) things were much better.
My wife took an interest in computing quite early, and she chose to make it
a career. She has powerful work ethic that is nothing like the many horror
stories that I hear concerning some young workers. She gets stressed out if
she's a minute late, and I have often been at home in the evening waiting
for her to finish up with that "last customer" that she's been working
(unpaid) overtime with for the past few hours. All of her co-workers in her
male-dominated office have come to respect her as being much more than a
"pretty blonde". She consistently gets recognition for outstanding
performance and she holds her co-workers in very high regard. She is always
willing to offer assistance, and doesn't feel afraid to ask for it, either.
Yes, I could be saying all of this because I'm her husband and she'd kill
me if I didn't (smile).... However, I have spent a few "lonely nights"
because of my insisting on her exhausting every possible avenue of
informational research before coming to me for help. This came back to
haunt me, terribly, when she became more well-versed in some BGP topics that
I did! Yes, I did go to her for clarification on topics that I felt weak
in...and I've been in the industry for years. There was no "teaching" of
the lab, because we took the lab a month apart (our list of topics were very
different). I'm very proud of my wife, because she was steadfast in her
determination to pass on her own! I really wish she had passed before me,
because she was always worried that people would condense all of her many
hours of practice, practice, practice, and study, study,
study...to...simply..."her husband helped her". We are both firm believers
in the integrity of the certification, and we take pleasure that we have
both achieved CCIE without taking any shortcuts. She takes more pleasure
in that she was able to acquire the knowledge faster than me, but I just got
so busy with all my projects at work, and I was too tired (because of
course, my job is harder than hers), blah, blah, etc., etc. (smile)
Well, this is one young lady who's going to blow away some employer with
her intelligence, dedication, maturity...and ability to get the job done!
Though employee "turnaround" is the name of the game where she works, she is
satisfied to wait for the right opportunity and accept her present
employer's "promises" of future increases at the beginning of the year that
I doubt will come. I try not to let my jaded view of employers tarnish her
enthusiasm and commitment.
Anyway, I just thought I'd like to share my firsthand information on this
remarkable young woman.
--Wilton White, CCIE #8006 on behalf of Lidiya White, CCIE #8155
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
John Kaberna
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 5:53 PM
To: jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: CCIE salary is going down, should I take the offer?
[3:3540]
45 an hour is pretty low for a CCIE in a major metro area. Did she pass the
CCIE after two years of solid Cisco experience? I consider that the
minimum. 2 years is the minimum and I would evaluate what she did in that 2
years. But, the first 2 years is typically no comparison to what you do in
the following years after that. If I look at what I did the first two years
compared to what I've done the last two years it's night and day.
To put the salary thing in perspective, I was making $60 an hour doing my
first Cisco job. I already had a couple years on Novell and NT and was able
to do a little networking here and there. But, my first day-to-day Cisco
job I made $60. I was not even close to a CCIE. As long as she actually
knew what she was doing and didn't just have her husband tell her the lab
then I think she should get more than $45 an hour an a place like NYC or SF.
If she lives in Mobile, AL she is probably overpaid.
Passing the lab is not that hard if you have a CCIE teaching you what is on
the lab. I am willing to bet anything I could take my 19 year old
girlfriend and have her pass the CCIE in 6 months. But, I wouldn't do that.
I would find it very hard to believe her husband didn't have anything to do
with her passing.
John Kaberna
CCIE #7146
NETCG Inc.
Cisco Premier Partner
www.netcginc.com
(415) 750-3800
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""Raymond Thomas"" wrote in message
news:200110032100.RAA31223@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> John,
>
> Quick question to you and all hiring managers... suppose there was a 20 yr
> old young woman who is a CCIE after being in the industry only two
years...
> should she be offered less than 45/hr if she was a consultant? BTW... this
> woman exists because I spoke with her husband who is also a CCIE.
>
> Any feed back would be highly appreciated.
>
> Regards,
>
> Raymond Thomas
> Vice President
> Lewis Consultants International, Inc.
> 516-498-2300 ext. 104 (NY office)
> 646-526-6171 cell
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
> John Kaberna
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 4:40 PM
> To: jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: CCIE salary is going down, should I take the offer?
> [3:3532]
>
>
> There isn't really such a thing as a paper CCIE since you can't pass just
> from books. But, there is what I call lab rats. Those are the people
that
> get lucky enough to pass after doing all thier studying on a home lab
and/or
> attending all the Cisco training courses. I would never hire a lab rat as
> they disgrace the program.
>
> John Kaberna
> CCIE #7146
> NETCG Inc.
> Cisco Premier Partner
> www.netcginc.com
> (415) 750-3800
>
> __________________
> CCIE Security Training
> www.netcginc.com/training.htm
>
>
> ""Dennis"" wrote in message
> news:200110031259.IAA25288@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Who said there's no such thing as paper CCIEs?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ""SAGJ SAGJ"" wrote in message
> > news:200110020437.AAA07479@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Im a CCIE and I recently got an offer to work in Tampa Fl. I got a
base
> > > salary of 78000+Bonus(15000) should I take this offer?.I don't have
any
> > > other offer at this moment. Please advice.
> > >
> > > sagj
> > >
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