Without knowing her personally I can't really comment on most of what you
just said. I'm sure she is a wonderful person. Good luck!
John Kaberna
CCIE #7146
NETCG Inc.
Cisco Premier Partner
www.netcginc.com
(415) 750-3800
__________________
CCIE Security Training
www.netcginc.com/training.htm
""Wilton White"" wrote in message
news:200110040133.VAA23526@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Hello!
>
> It looks as though I am forced to jump into this one!
>
> The only thing her husband had to do with her passing was providing
> constant motivation to achieve what I knew she was capable of.... She had
> the advantage of working in a position (Cisco TAC) that afforded a great
> deal of experience with a variety of customer network topologies and
> router/switch equipment. Prior to this, she had her MCSE and CCNA
> certifications. The MCSE work failed to maintain her interest; her
position
> didn't provide enough challenge.
>
> Her "interest" in routers came about when I had my first couple of routers
> in our bedroom. She didn't have very nice things to say about Cisco back
> then (smile), but after we moved in Houston to a place with an additional
> bedroom (for the equipment) things were much better.
>
> My wife took an interest in computing quite early, and she chose to make
it
> a career. She has powerful work ethic that is nothing like the many
horror
> stories that I hear concerning some young workers. She gets stressed out
if
> she's a minute late, and I have often been at home in the evening waiting
> for her to finish up with that "last customer" that she's been working
> (unpaid) overtime with for the past few hours. All of her co-workers in
her
> male-dominated office have come to respect her as being much more than a
> "pretty blonde". She consistently gets recognition for outstanding
> performance and she holds her co-workers in very high regard. She is
always
> willing to offer assistance, and doesn't feel afraid to ask for it,
either.
>
> Yes, I could be saying all of this because I'm her husband and she'd kill
> me if I didn't (smile).... However, I have spent a few "lonely nights"
> because of my insisting on her exhausting every possible avenue of
> informational research before coming to me for help. This came back to
> haunt me, terribly, when she became more well-versed in some BGP topics
that
> I did! Yes, I did go to her for clarification on topics that I felt weak
> in...and I've been in the industry for years. There was no "teaching" of
> the lab, because we took the lab a month apart (our list of topics were
very
> different). I'm very proud of my wife, because she was steadfast in her
> determination to pass on her own! I really wish she had passed before me,
> because she was always worried that people would condense all of her many
> hours of practice, practice, practice, and study, study,
> study...to...simply..."her husband helped her". We are both firm
believers
> in the integrity of the certification, and we take pleasure that we have
> both achieved CCIE without taking any shortcuts. She takes more pleasure
> in that she was able to acquire the knowledge faster than me, but I just
got
> so busy with all my projects at work, and I was too tired (because of
> course, my job is harder than hers), blah, blah, etc., etc. (smile)
>
> Well, this is one young lady who's going to blow away some employer with
> her intelligence, dedication, maturity...and ability to get the job done!
> Though employee "turnaround" is the name of the game where she works, she
is
> satisfied to wait for the right opportunity and accept her present
> employer's "promises" of future increases at the beginning of the year
that
> I doubt will come. I try not to let my jaded view of employers tarnish
her
> enthusiasm and commitment.
>
> Anyway, I just thought I'd like to share my firsthand information on this
> remarkable young woman.
>
>
>
> --Wilton White, CCIE #8006 on behalf of Lidiya White, CCIE #8155
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
> John Kaberna
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 5:53 PM
> To: jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: CCIE salary is going down, should I take the offer?
> [3:3540]
>
>
> 45 an hour is pretty low for a CCIE in a major metro area. Did she pass
the
> CCIE after two years of solid Cisco experience? I consider that the
> minimum. 2 years is the minimum and I would evaluate what she did in that
2
> years. But, the first 2 years is typically no comparison to what you do
in
> the following years after that. If I look at what I did the first two
years
> compared to what I've done the last two years it's night and day.
>
> To put the salary thing in perspective, I was making $60 an hour doing my
> first Cisco job. I already had a couple years on Novell and NT and was
able
> to do a little networking here and there. But, my first day-to-day Cisco
> job I made $60. I was not even close to a CCIE. As long as she actually
> knew what she was doing and didn't just have her husband tell her the lab
> then I think she should get more than $45 an hour an a place like NYC or
SF.
> If she lives in Mobile, AL she is probably overpaid.
>
> Passing the lab is not that hard if you have a CCIE teaching you what is
on
> the lab. I am willing to bet anything I could take my 19 year old
> girlfriend and have her pass the CCIE in 6 months. But, I wouldn't do
that.
> I would find it very hard to believe her husband didn't have anything to
do
> with her passing.
>
> John Kaberna
> CCIE #7146
> NETCG Inc.
> Cisco Premier Partner
> www.netcginc.com
> (415) 750-3800
>
> __________________
> CCIE Security Training
> www.netcginc.com/training.htm
>
>
> ""Raymond Thomas"" wrote in message
> news:200110032100.RAA31223@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > John,
> >
> > Quick question to you and all hiring managers... suppose there was a 20
yr
> > old young woman who is a CCIE after being in the industry only two
> years...
> > should she be offered less than 45/hr if she was a consultant? BTW...
this
> > woman exists because I spoke with her husband who is also a CCIE.
> >
> > Any feed back would be highly appreciated.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Raymond Thomas
> > Vice President
> > Lewis Consultants International, Inc.
> > 516-498-2300 ext. 104 (NY office)
> > 646-526-6171 cell
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
> > John Kaberna
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 4:40 PM
> > To: jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: CCIE salary is going down, should I take the offer?
> > [3:3532]
> >
> >
> > There isn't really such a thing as a paper CCIE since you can't pass
just
> > from books. But, there is what I call lab rats. Those are the people
> that
> > get lucky enough to pass after doing all thier studying on a home lab
> and/or
> > attending all the Cisco training courses. I would never hire a lab rat
as
> > they disgrace the program.
> >
> > John Kaberna
> > CCIE #7146
> > NETCG Inc.
> > Cisco Premier Partner
> > www.netcginc.com
> > (415) 750-3800
> >
> > __________________
> > CCIE Security Training
> > www.netcginc.com/training.htm
> >
> >
> > ""Dennis"" wrote in message
> > news:200110031259.IAA25288@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Who said there's no such thing as paper CCIEs?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ""SAGJ SAGJ"" wrote in message
> > > news:200110020437.AAA07479@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Im a CCIE and I recently got an offer to work in Tampa Fl. I got a
> base
> > > > salary of 78000+Bonus(15000) should I take this offer?.I don't have
> any
> > > > other offer at this moment. Please advice.
> > > >
> > > > sagj
> > > >
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