Very true. I worked with a 20 year old also and he was a Unix, Security,
and Cisco guru. He was very smart and was able to perform all the tasks of
5 IT people combined and also within the same amount of time.
Needless to say, he was also a young immature troublemaker who lacked
professionalism and communication skills. Plus since he was being paid so
much (especially having so much money when you're still a little kid), he
acted as if he was on top of the world and looked down on his co-workers as
they were idiot newbies because they didn't know as much as him. When the
CTO wasn't around, he would bring in a six pack of beer and drink it in the
NOC (he wasn't 21 yet). And after a while, everyone got tired of this guy
and he was eventually fired.
But here's the kicker....A month down the line, we notice that we're
receiving complaints from co-location customers about DOS attacks and
network scanning across their servers and IP blocks. After some researching
and investigations, a couple of co-workers and I found out that our email
server had been compromised (by the former 20 year-old) and that DOS attacks
were being launched from our customer's collocated servers to all these
designated targets. The former employee had created several accounts for
himself on our email server and used that as a gateway to hack into
customer's servers to gain root on their boxes. As once he/they had control
of those accounts and shell, they did it to other boxes as well.
But what can you expect for a 20 year old? Most young kids still have that
mentality where they want to get revenge, retaliate, mess around when the
boss isn't there, etc. True there are exceptions to the rule and I have met
young professionals who can act professionally as well as having the
technical skills/knowledge. But looking at the majority...a lot of "lab
rats" fall into this category.
Another similar type of incident happened to my friend where they fired the
young security expert from the company (because he was always late and never
on time for meetings, etc) and decided to get back at the company. He left
backdoors open for himself and went back into the finance servers and was
able to grab this one file that contained the names of all employees and
their current salaries. He emailed a company-wide message with that file
attached and you can imagine what kind of chaos that started. =)
You can say that it's partially the companies' fault for not taking the
proper security measures...but still...the bottom line is that you just have
to try to guage whether the 20 year-old is mature enough to maintain
professionalism as well as having the technical know how.
Now a days, most companies just decide that it's not worth the trouble and
don't hire people if they seem too young. Even if they do have a CCIE....
Just my 2 cents,
Roger
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Carter [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 3:07 PM
To: jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: CCIE salary is going down, should I take the offer? [3:3537]
My employer had a 20 yr old man who got his CCIE 1 yr after passing the CNE
and MCSE because he wanted to see what a hard certification was like. He
went to college full time (CS deg.) and was really a hacker who wanted to
learn how everything computer related work. He had this remarkable ability
to get thrown out of customers offices within a week. And meetings weren't
his "thing", he would not attend a meeting with the customer. He would only
come if there was "real" work to do.
He did not last long..
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Bill Carter
CCIE 5022
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
Raymond Thomas
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 4:00 PM
To: jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: CCIE salary is going down, should I take the offer?
[3:3533]
John,
Quick question to you and all hiring managers... suppose there was a 20 yr
old young woman who is a CCIE after being in the industry only two years...
should she be offered less than 45/hr if she was a consultant? BTW... this
woman exists because I spoke with her husband who is also a CCIE.
Any feed back would be highly appreciated.
Regards,
Raymond Thomas
Vice President
Lewis Consultants International, Inc.
516-498-2300 ext. 104 (NY office)
646-526-6171 cell
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
John Kaberna
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 4:40 PM
To: jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: CCIE salary is going down, should I take the offer?
[3:3532]
There isn't really such a thing as a paper CCIE since you can't pass just
from books. But, there is what I call lab rats. Those are the people that
get lucky enough to pass after doing all thier studying on a home lab and/or
attending all the Cisco training courses. I would never hire a lab rat as
they disgrace the program.
John Kaberna
CCIE #7146
NETCG Inc.
Cisco Premier Partner
www.netcginc.com
(415) 750-3800
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""Dennis"" wrote in message
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> Who said there's no such thing as paper CCIEs?
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> ""SAGJ SAGJ"" wrote in message
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> > Im a CCIE and I recently got an offer to work in Tampa Fl. I got a base
> > salary of 78000+Bonus(15000) should I take this offer?.I don't have any
> > other offer at this moment. Please advice.
> >
> > sagj
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