I respectfully disagree. It seems you've had some bad experiences with
some poorly informed HR people (and who hasn't?) but I doubt that's the
norm. It used to be, you didn't say "CCIE" without appending "there are
less than 6000 of them in the world" to it. That, combined with horror
stories from the lab, is how the certification got the prestige in the
first place. I won't be surprised when all of the job descriptions that
have "CCIE preferred" go to "CCIE required" and all the jobs saying
"CCNP required" go to "CCIE preferred". The problem is, not all
networking jobs need an IE. Consider this - already I've seen a few
contracts out there for installations of sonicwall and linksys routers
saying "CCNP required". If you've ever used a sonicwall, or especially a
linksys, then the overkill is obvious. It's like using grenade launcher
to kill a mosquito. The fact is, the more the are, the less valuable the
certification becomes. Supply and demand.
What I'm really waiting for, and I think it will happen eventually, is a
job description of "CCIE Required, preferably below #6000."
Either way, this conversation's academic... people I've talked to who
have come back from the lab have been saying that it seems more geared
towards passage than it does towards failure. In other words, Cisco
wants more CCIE's out there, whether we like it or not.
Hal Logan
Network Specialist / Adjunct Faculty
Computing and Engineering Technology
Manatee Community College
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marshal Schoener [mailto:mschoener@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 12:58 PM
> To: jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Is the CCIE really worth it??? [3:3485]
>
>
> I agree with what you are saying, however there is a
> difference between
> having to work hard for something, and having it so that
> there are only 6000
> of them in the world...
> The MCSE has lost respect within the IT industry, however if
> you want a
> serious admin job, it is the most sought after certification.
> The CCIE will
> always be a well respected certification. The fact that so
> few people have
> it is in some ways harmful because human resources
> departments and managers
> outside the tech industry haven't always heard of it. I have
> seen people
> get interviews for high level network engineering positions
> that were CCNAs
> before CCIEs got the interview. This is because HR has heard
> of the CCNA
> and doesn't know what a CCIE is...
> I'm not saying they should water down the test, nor do I
> believe they are
> doing so. However, I do believe that more is better to a
> certain degree.
> 6000 to 7000 CCIEs in the world is silly. There can very
> easily be 10 times
> that and the demand for certified, well trained engineers
> will still be
> there ;-) Just my opinion.
> Regards,
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Logan, Harold [mailto:loganh@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 12:27 PM
> To: jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Is the CCIE really worth it??? [3:3485]
>
>
> I disagree. I'm working towards the CCIE, and I want it to be hard. I
> want to have to work for it. The last CCNP exam I took was the
> Support/Troubleshooting exam, and I wanted my money back. The
> couple of
> hours I put into studying for it were nothing but wasted time.
>
> In any line of work, supply and demand rule the market. The more IE's
> there are out there, the less they'll be making. Not only that, but we
> lowly CCNP's and CCDP's can probably expect even less. You point out
> that there are way more doctors, lawyers, etc... well,
> there's more of a
> demand for doctors and lawyers. It's a simple comparison: ask yourself
> how many people in a given population get sick or decide to
> sue someone,
> and compare that to the number of people who need a network designed.
>
> What's more, the easier any cert exam is to obtain, the worse its
> reputation becomes; just ask Microsoft. It'll be years before the MCSE
> is a respected certification again... why? Because it was too easy to
> get. Everyone's got a story about an MCSE who talked big but couldn't
> edit an LMHosts file, or couldn't set up a trust relationship, or
> couldn't install a NIC. If the IE truly does get easier, how long will
> it be before everyone has a similar story about a CCIE?I for one hope
> Cisco keeps the lab challenging... I want the IE, but I want
> to work for
> it.
>
> Hal Logan
> Network Specialist / Adjunct Faculty
> Computing and Engineering Technology
> Manatee Community College
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Marshal Schoener [mailto:mschoener@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 3:30 PM
> > To: jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: Is the CCIE really worth it??? [3:3485]
> >
> >
> > What is funny is that people are concerned with the
> > possibility of 5 digit
> > amounts of CCIEs at all.
> > Considering there are way more doctors, lawyers, salesman,
> > brokers, etc etc
> > etc etc etc in just about every small city than there are
> > CCIEs world wide,
> > it doesn't seem something very logical to worry about.
> > In fact, to a certain degree it is better off to have more
> > than there are
> > now for sales-marketing reasons...
> > Another thing is that just because the format changes,
> > doesn't mean the test
> > is going to become easier. It may in fact become harder...
> >
> > For those of you that are really worried about this (which I
> > honestly find
> > hard to imagine) why don't you look into the specializations.
> >
> > Regards,
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