It's ancedotal but I used to get many more unsolicitated calls and
e-mails for jobs.
Dave
John Kaberna wrote:
>
> Marshal I completely disagree that the market can support 10 times as many.
> That is insane. It's not that easy to find a job as a CCIE now. If there
> are 10 times as many it will be hopeless to find work. As soon as there
are
> 10 times as many jobs as there are CCIE's then I'll buy that. Right now
> there are MORE CCIE's and certified engineers than there are jobs. Just
ask
> some of the people on this list.
>
> John Kaberna
> CCIE #7146
> NETCG Inc.
> Cisco Premier Partner
> www.netcginc.com
> (415) 750-3800
>
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> ""Marshal Schoener"" wrote in message
> news:200110011658.MAA16069@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > I agree with what you are saying, however there is a difference between
> > having to work hard for something, and having it so that there are only
> 6000
> > of them in the world...
> > The MCSE has lost respect within the IT industry, however if you want a
> > serious admin job, it is the most sought after certification. The CCIE
> will
> > always be a well respected certification. The fact that so few people
> have
> > it is in some ways harmful because human resources departments and
> managers
> > outside the tech industry haven't always heard of it. I have seen people
> > get interviews for high level network engineering positions that were
> CCNAs
> > before CCIEs got the interview. This is because HR has heard of the CCNA
> > and doesn't know what a CCIE is...
> > I'm not saying they should water down the test, nor do I believe they are
> > doing so. However, I do believe that more is better to a certain degree.
> > 6000 to 7000 CCIEs in the world is silly. There can very easily be 10
> times
> > that and the demand for certified, well trained engineers will still be
> > there ;-) Just my opinion.
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Logan, Harold [mailto:loganh@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 12:27 PM
> > To: jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: Is the CCIE really worth it??? [3:3485]
> >
> >
> > I disagree. I'm working towards the CCIE, and I want it to be hard. I
> > want to have to work for it. The last CCNP exam I took was the
> > Support/Troubleshooting exam, and I wanted my money back. The couple of
> > hours I put into studying for it were nothing but wasted time.
> >
> > In any line of work, supply and demand rule the market. The more IE's
> > there are out there, the less they'll be making. Not only that, but we
> > lowly CCNP's and CCDP's can probably expect even less. You point out
> > that there are way more doctors, lawyers, etc... well, there's more of a
> > demand for doctors and lawyers. It's a simple comparison: ask yourself
> > how many people in a given population get sick or decide to sue someone,
> > and compare that to the number of people who need a network designed.
> >
> > What's more, the easier any cert exam is to obtain, the worse its
> > reputation becomes; just ask Microsoft. It'll be years before the MCSE
> > is a respected certification again... why? Because it was too easy to
> > get. Everyone's got a story about an MCSE who talked big but couldn't
> > edit an LMHosts file, or couldn't set up a trust relationship, or
> > couldn't install a NIC. If the IE truly does get easier, how long will
> > it be before everyone has a similar story about a CCIE?I for one hope
> > Cisco keeps the lab challenging... I want the IE, but I want to work for
> > it.
> >
> > Hal Logan
> > Network Specialist / Adjunct Faculty
> > Computing and Engineering Technology
> > Manatee Community College
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Marshal Schoener [mailto:mschoener@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 3:30 PM
> > > To: jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: RE: Is the CCIE really worth it??? [3:3485]
> > >
> > >
> > > What is funny is that people are concerned with the
> > > possibility of 5 digit
> > > amounts of CCIEs at all.
> > > Considering there are way more doctors, lawyers, salesman,
> > > brokers, etc etc
> > > etc etc etc in just about every small city than there are
> > > CCIEs world wide,
> > > it doesn't seem something very logical to worry about.
> > > In fact, to a certain degree it is better off to have more
> > > than there are
> > > now for sales-marketing reasons...
> > > Another thing is that just because the format changes,
> > > doesn't mean the test
> > > is going to become easier. It may in fact become harder...
> > >
> > > For those of you that are really worried about this (which I
> > > honestly find
> > > hard to imagine) why don't you look into the specializations.
> > >
> > > Regards,
--
David Madland
Sr. Network Engineer
CCIE# 2016
Qwest Communications Int. Inc.
dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
612-664-3367
"Emotion should reflect reason not guide it"
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