I disagree with you on the difficulty of finding a job right now. Besides,
any difficulty in finding a job is the product of a very shaky economy which
should be temporary.
There are more CCIEs than there are jobs?!? Are you telling me that there
aren't 7000 jobs around for high level guys? I find that VERY difficult to
accept. Maybe these days a CCIE can't walk out of his office for lunch and
have a new job by 1pm, but the jobs are certainly out there. A little
patience is all one really needs to find excellent jobs..
Then again, I guess it depends on where you are. If you are living in
Kentucky, I will agree with you that it might be difficult to find your
technology dream job. However here in NY, it really isn't as difficult as
some would make it seem.
Regards,
-----Original Message-----
From: John Kaberna [mailto:jkaberna@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 4:09 PM
To: jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Is the CCIE really worth it??? [3:3485]
Marshal I completely disagree that the market can support 10 times as many.
That is insane. It's not that easy to find a job as a CCIE now. If there
are 10 times as many it will be hopeless to find work. As soon as there are
10 times as many jobs as there are CCIE's then I'll buy that. Right now
there are MORE CCIE's and certified engineers than there are jobs. Just ask
some of the people on this list.
John Kaberna
CCIE #7146
NETCG Inc.
Cisco Premier Partner
www.netcginc.com
(415) 750-3800
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""Marshal Schoener"" wrote in message
news:200110011658.MAA16069@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> I agree with what you are saying, however there is a difference between
> having to work hard for something, and having it so that there are only
6000
> of them in the world...
> The MCSE has lost respect within the IT industry, however if you want a
> serious admin job, it is the most sought after certification. The CCIE
will
> always be a well respected certification. The fact that so few people
have
> it is in some ways harmful because human resources departments and
managers
> outside the tech industry haven't always heard of it. I have seen people
> get interviews for high level network engineering positions that were
CCNAs
> before CCIEs got the interview. This is because HR has heard of the CCNA
> and doesn't know what a CCIE is...
> I'm not saying they should water down the test, nor do I believe they are
> doing so. However, I do believe that more is better to a certain degree.
> 6000 to 7000 CCIEs in the world is silly. There can very easily be 10
times
> that and the demand for certified, well trained engineers will still be
> there ;-) Just my opinion.
> Regards,
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Logan, Harold [mailto:loganh@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 12:27 PM
> To: jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Is the CCIE really worth it??? [3:3485]
>
>
> I disagree. I'm working towards the CCIE, and I want it to be hard. I
> want to have to work for it. The last CCNP exam I took was the
> Support/Troubleshooting exam, and I wanted my money back. The couple of
> hours I put into studying for it were nothing but wasted time.
>
> In any line of work, supply and demand rule the market. The more IE's
> there are out there, the less they'll be making. Not only that, but we
> lowly CCNP's and CCDP's can probably expect even less. You point out
> that there are way more doctors, lawyers, etc... well, there's more of a
> demand for doctors and lawyers. It's a simple comparison: ask yourself
> how many people in a given population get sick or decide to sue someone,
> and compare that to the number of people who need a network designed.
>
> What's more, the easier any cert exam is to obtain, the worse its
> reputation becomes; just ask Microsoft. It'll be years before the MCSE
> is a respected certification again... why? Because it was too easy to
> get. Everyone's got a story about an MCSE who talked big but couldn't
> edit an LMHosts file, or couldn't set up a trust relationship, or
> couldn't install a NIC. If the IE truly does get easier, how long will
> it be before everyone has a similar story about a CCIE?I for one hope
> Cisco keeps the lab challenging... I want the IE, but I want to work for
> it.
>
> Hal Logan
> Network Specialist / Adjunct Faculty
> Computing and Engineering Technology
> Manatee Community College
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Marshal Schoener [mailto:mschoener@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 3:30 PM
> > To: jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: Is the CCIE really worth it??? [3:3485]
> >
> >
> > What is funny is that people are concerned with the
> > possibility of 5 digit
> > amounts of CCIEs at all.
> > Considering there are way more doctors, lawyers, salesman,
> > brokers, etc etc
> > etc etc etc in just about every small city than there are
> > CCIEs world wide,
> > it doesn't seem something very logical to worry about.
> > In fact, to a certain degree it is better off to have more
> > than there are
> > now for sales-marketing reasons...
> > Another thing is that just because the format changes,
> > doesn't mean the test
> > is going to become easier. It may in fact become harder...
> >
> > For those of you that are really worried about this (which I
> > honestly find
> > hard to imagine) why don't you look into the specializations.
> >
> > Regards,
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