Dear Danny,
Kevin talks sense.
Mark the punch line in his mail...
i am cutting and pasting his words
")--those companies are betting
> on the learning curve that
> these people will travel. Often it's a good
> bet, sometimes it's not. Your
> hardest job may be to convince them you're a
> good bet."
CONVINCE THEM THAT U ARE A GOOD BET.
good luk
pradeep
--- ahines <aahines@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Note that previous posts have said that they
> started out the same, to keep
> going, etc. A business has to believe that you
> will earn them more revenue
> than you will cost them. If you can't show that
> with experience, they can't
> afford to put you in an expensive job. If you
> demonstrate it with aptitude,
> with knowledge, with attitude, they may well be
> willing to take a chance on
> training you. But bear in mind that you cost
> them _much_ more than you see
> in the paycheck. Part of that cost is explicit,
> in the form of dollars
> actually spent on taxes and benefits. Another
> part is implicit, in the lack
> of speed that you will operate at compared to
> someone with experience. Go in
> understanding the business problem you
> represent, and offer to be a bigger
> asset than a liability and they may hire you.
>
> Of course, they may not, too, in which case you
> move on. This is a
> business-side view of what Pradeep is saying
> (hi, there--I'll reply off-line
> when I catch up)--those companies are betting
> on the learning curve that
> these people will travel. Often it's a good
> bet, sometimes it's not. Your
> hardest job may be to convince them you're a
> good bet.
>
> Kevin Zsenak wrote in message
>
<20000406141019.10357.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>...
> <snip>
> >I would like to know from the senior guys how
> they got
> >started. I would especially appreciate
> comments from
> >fellow MCSEs or CNEs that switched to Cisco.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Kevin
> >
> >
> >
> >--- "Pradeep Kumar MCSE i ,CCNA"
> ><pk_pradeep@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> Dear Danny Mills,
> >>
> >> I have had such discouraging directions from
> this
> >> guy Rob.
> >>
> >> Well, to tell you the truth there are lot of
> >> companies who are taking CCNA labelled guys
> just
> >> for the sake of the label and put them on
> the
> >> field with other engineers. It is a matter
> of
> >> proffessional pride for the companies to
> have a
> >> CCNA or any CCxx on the staff of support
> engrs.
> >>
> >> So, you take a help desk , you are stuck to
> it.
> >> It is better to ask for low salary and work
> on
> >> the field rather than a desk job.
> >>
> >> You can quote between 35 - 45 K if u are a
> total
> >> fresher . After working for 6 months u ask
> for a
> >> raise , ie ask them for 45- 50 K else leave
> the
> >> company and DEMAND 50 - 60 K. You will get
> it .
> >> If u dont , hold me up.
> >>
> >> If u are anywhere near New York , I can help
> >> you.( free)
> >>
> >> So cheers.....
> >>
> >> Love and luck
> >> Pradeep
> >>
> >> --- Rob <rhmears3@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> > I do not want to sound negitive, but you
> might
> >> > want to take that job at the
> >> > helpdesk.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
> >> > Danny
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 7:00 PM
> >> > To: jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > Subject: first job
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > What are the chances a new CCNA with no
> >> > experience, fresh out of the Cisco
> >> > Academy, can get even an entry level job
> >> > working with routers? If the
> >> > chances are too dismal, maybe I'll just
> take
> >> > that job on the help desk. (I
> >> > won't even get out of the Academy until
> the
> >> > Fall.)
> >> >
> >> > Danny Mills
> >> >
> >>
> >>
>
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