Good Morning to all of you on this bus line......(just trying out my
terminology)
I was the initiator of the original question regarding Lab vs. real
world experience. My academy class level four went to a job seminar
sponsored by MCI last month. According to the story, there were
approximately 20 students that were "invited from different schools
around the Denver/Colorado Springs/Pueblo area. There were five (5)
entry level positions to be offered, and guess what? All (5) five
positions were offered to our students who were attending the
community college here in Colorado Springs. Why? Because of the
"hands on" experience and depth of knowledge. It made me feel real
good to hear that. I hope such an opportunity is given to our Level 2
this fall.
Feedback has it that a CISCO sponsored Academies teaches you more
than just text book world. A P.S. to this e mail: The other three
schools were sanctioned, (whatever that means), but the length and
style of teaching was totally different. I guess it showed in the
interviews!!!!
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Mears [SMTP:RMears@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 3:07 PM
To: 'mazhar dar'; joes@xxxxxxxxxx; jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: your mail
Hi,
I am not here to piss anyone off or even say you all are wrong, but
this statement really cracked me up.
(everything working in the real environment is tested first and then
deployed) Hell man, it is tested at the factory.
I must ask which world you live in cuss I want in. Please please give
me directions.
Don't know about you all, but I am a Analyst and when I get to a site,
the stuff is already in and MAN nothing is working!! That is why they
called me. A CCNA right out of class would crash and burn. I long for
the perfect world as you describe. Hell, maybe I would still have some
hair.
For you newbies with that fresh CCNA and grand illusions, don't give
up. We all were where you were once. Keep climbing those stairs. And
If you happen to know where I can find the place where everything is
tested first let me know.
Just having fun before I take the long commute home.
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: mazhar dar [mailto:mazhardar@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 3:03 PM
To: joes@xxxxxxxxxx; jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: your mail
I do not agree with you. I will hire someone as a
little lowee level or team worker. coz everything
working in the real environment is tested first and
then deployed and most of the time they are tried on a small area to
check it's efeciency and reliaility.
So if you are talking in real life time problem . then good companies
do not hire only one specialist they go for some company like kpmg and
etc and make some deal with them and make them do all major work in
team environment.
I do not know which world you are living in . if you have any sense
then you would never depend on one person for all network. If you want
a person like that then God bless you and do not cry if that person
leaves coz of some emergency.
I would say u should keep a person as handy or two at
least as back up and those one should be average
knowledge and let them learn and work with your
engineer or any contractor from compamy's like KPMG
cisco etc.
or any other way you feel better
--- Joe Szczepanski <joes@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I second this. I really dont have much to add, but
> as someone who is
> responsible for hiring all levels of networking
> professionals, I must say
> that these comments are right on.
> joe
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
> > Flashback
> > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 5:46 PM
> > To: jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: your mail
> >
> >
> >
> > When looking over resumes for potential employees,
> I NEVER consider lab
> > training as experience. I think you'll find most
> employers feel the same
> > way, rightly or wrongly.
> > In fact, I think that if you try to sell your two
> years in the
> > classroom as
> > OTJ experience, you may be harming your efforts;
> the employer will think
> > you naive at best and dishonest at worst.
> > Lab training certainly gets your foot in the door,
> and certifications also
> > help get that first job. However, I'd never hire
> someone for anything but
> > an entry level position if they've never had
> "battlefield" experience. If
> > you're truly talented, and can make the right
> decisions under pressure,
> > you'll rise up the ladder rapidly.
> > Here are some points to consider:
> > -In college, trade school, classroom training,
> you're exposed to the
> > environment maybe 8 hours a week...and that's if
> you're a conscientious
> > student. When you're working full-time, you're
> exposed to the environment
> > 40-50 hours a week...and that's if you're not
> studying in your
> > "free" time.
> > -In classroom based training, the problems occur
> right on schedule and
> > you've usually got the entire class period to work
> out a 15
> > minute problem.
> > In production, the problems occur when you least
> expect them and when you
> > least can afford them; you've got 15 minutes to
> work out a problem that
> > should take a day to resolve, and all while the
> client (who pays your
> > check) is asking, every minute or two, why the
> network is down.
> > -In classroom training, your screwup causes you to
> take longer to finish
> > the configuration lab and might cause your grade
> to be lowered by
> > a letter.
> > In production, your screwup causes real monetary
> losses to your client;
> > and, in a worst case scenerio, could get you
> fired.
> > -In classroom training, you're never forced to
> make a decision
> > that affects
> > thousands of users in less time than most people
> spend deciding what to
> > have for lunch. The ability to think of the
> ramifications of your actions
> > can make or break your career. Unfortunately,
> there's little big picture
> > thinking in configuring and troubleshooting a 2600
> in a lab.
> >
> > With all that said, I think classroom training is
> an excellent thing and
> > well worth the effort you put into it. If you're
> wise, you'll
> > get a job as
> > an intern or co-op while you're taking the
> classes. That way, when you
> > graduate, you'll be able to honestly say that you
> have some real world
> > experience.
> >
> > Just my $0.02....
> > Craig
> >
> >
> > >On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Rodriguez, Noel wrote:
> > >
> > >> I keep reading messages that from individuals
> of the lack of
> > >> experience or hands on. My question to the
> group, would be this: I
> > >> am attending a community college associated
> with the CISCO academy.
> > >> In our labs we configure, troubleshoot 2500
> series routers. Would
> > >> employers consider this "experience"? In their
> "sell" of the program,
> > >> we are to understand that this program, can be
> considered as two years
> > >> of experience, because of the hands on.
> Feedback?
> > >> Noel
> > >>
> > >>
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