Wise words Rob. I was in a meeting today with a guy about dense mode
multicasting -- this guy is responsible for about 600 routers that do
serious (and boy do I mean serious) throughput (not web). He knows more
about multicasting than anyone (and boy do I mean anyone - including Cisco
NSA) I have ever met. How comes ? Cos he's supported this network for 12
years.
Knowledge, it's every techies Holy Grail ?
SysAdm
Rob Mears wrote in message ...
>Hi,
>I am not here to piss anyone off or even say you all are wrong, but this
>statement really cracked me up.
>(everything working in the real environment is tested first and then
>deployed) Hell man, it is tested at the factory.
> I must ask which world you live in cuss I want in. Please please give me
>directions.
>
>Don't know about you all, but I am a Analyst and when I get to a site, the
>stuff is already in and MAN nothing is working!! That is why they called
me.
>A CCNA right out of class would crash and burn. I long for the perfect
world
>as you describe. Hell, maybe I would still have some hair.
>
>For you newbies with that fresh CCNA and grand illusions, don't give up. We
>all were where you were once. Keep climbing those stairs. And If you happen
>to know where I can find the place where everything is tested first let me
>know.
>
>Just having fun before I take the long commute home.
>
>Rob
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mazhar dar [mailto:mazhardar@xxxxxxxxx]
>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 3:03 PM
>To: joes@xxxxxxxxxx; jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: RE: your mail
>
>
>I do not agree with you. I will hire someone as a
>little lowee level or team worker. coz everything
>working in the real environment is tested first and
>then deployed and most of the time they are tried on
>a small area to check it's efeciency and reliaility.
>So if you are talking in real life time problem . then
>good companies do not hire only one specialist they go
>for some company like kpmg and etc and make some deal
>with them and make them do all major work in team
>environment.
>I do not know which world you are living in . if you
>have any sense then you would never depend on one
>person for all network. If you want a person like that
>then God bless you and do not cry if that person
>leaves coz of some emergency.
>I would say u should keep a person as handy or two at
>least as back up and those one should be average
>knowledge and let them learn and work with your
>engineer or any contractor from compamy's like KPMG
>cisco etc.
>or any other way you feel better
>
>--- Joe Szczepanski <joes@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> I second this. I really dont have much to add, but
>> as someone who is
>> responsible for hiring all levels of networking
>> professionals, I must say
>> that these comments are right on.
>> joe
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
>> > Flashback
>> > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 5:46 PM
>> > To: jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Subject: Re: your mail
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > When looking over resumes for potential employees,
>> I NEVER consider lab
>> > training as experience. I think you'll find most
>> employers feel the same
>> > way, rightly or wrongly.
>> > In fact, I think that if you try to sell your two
>> years in the
>> > classroom as
>> > OTJ experience, you may be harming your efforts;
>> the employer will think
>> > you naive at best and dishonest at worst.
>> > Lab training certainly gets your foot in the door,
>> and certifications also
>> > help get that first job. However, I'd never hire
>> someone for anything but
>> > an entry level position if they've never had
>> "battlefield" experience. If
>> > you're truly talented, and can make the right
>> decisions under pressure,
>> > you'll rise up the ladder rapidly.
>> > Here are some points to consider:
>> > -In college, trade school, classroom training,
>> you're exposed to the
>> > environment maybe 8 hours a week...and that's if
>> you're a conscientious
>> > student. When you're working full-time, you're
>> exposed to the environment
>> > 40-50 hours a week...and that's if you're not
>> studying in your
>> > "free" time.
>> > -In classroom based training, the problems occur
>> right on schedule and
>> > you've usually got the entire class period to work
>> out a 15
>> > minute problem.
>> > In production, the problems occur when you least
>> expect them and when you
>> > least can afford them; you've got 15 minutes to
>> work out a problem that
>> > should take a day to resolve, and all while the
>> client (who pays your
>> > check) is asking, every minute or two, why the
>> network is down.
>> > -In classroom training, your screwup causes you to
>> take longer to finish
>> > the configuration lab and might cause your grade
>> to be lowered by
>> > a letter.
>> > In production, your screwup causes real monetary
>> losses to your client;
>> > and, in a worst case scenerio, could get you
>> fired.
>> > -In classroom training, you're never forced to
>> make a decision
>> > that affects
>> > thousands of users in less time than most people
>> spend deciding what to
>> > have for lunch. The ability to think of the
>> ramifications of your actions
>> > can make or break your career. Unfortunately,
>> there's little big picture
>> > thinking in configuring and troubleshooting a 2600
>> in a lab.
>> >
>> > With all that said, I think classroom training is
>> an excellent thing and
>> > well worth the effort you put into it. If you're
>> wise, you'll
>> > get a job as
>> > an intern or co-op while you're taking the
>> classes. That way, when you
>> > graduate, you'll be able to honestly say that you
>> have some real world
>> > experience.
>> >
>> > Just my $0.02....
>> > Craig
>> >
>> >
>> > >On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Rodriguez, Noel wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> I keep reading messages that from individuals
>> of the lack of
>> > >> experience or hands on. My question to the
>> group, would be this: I
>> > >> am attending a community college associated
>> with the CISCO academy.
>> > >> In our labs we configure, troubleshoot 2500
>> series routers. Would
>> > >> employers consider this "experience"? In their
>> "sell" of the program,
>> > >> we are to understand that this program, can be
>> considered as two years
>> > >> of experience, because of the hands on.
>> Feedback?
>> > >> Noel
>> > >>
>> > >>
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