Those comments are right, if we lived in the perfect world. Where your
background and hard work is always rewarded. BUT anyone that works in this
field, or any field for that matter; knows that, that is not always true.
IT'S NOT ABOUT WHAT YOU KNOW. IT'S ABOUT WHO YOU KNOW...... That trumps
experience certs, etc.
To all that disagree. I say wake up.
"Joe Szczepanski" <joes@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> I second this. I really dont have much to add, but as someone who is
> responsible for hiring all levels of networking professionals, I must say
> that these comments are right on.
> joe
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
> > Flashback
> > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 5:46 PM
> > To: jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: your mail
> >
> >
> >
> > When looking over resumes for potential employees, I NEVER consider lab
> > training as experience. I think you'll find most employers feel the
same
> > way, rightly or wrongly.
> > In fact, I think that if you try to sell your two years in the
> > classroom as
> > OTJ experience, you may be harming your efforts; the employer will think
> > you naive at best and dishonest at worst.
> > Lab training certainly gets your foot in the door, and certifications
also
> > help get that first job. However, I'd never hire someone for anything
but
> > an entry level position if they've never had "battlefield" experience.
If
> > you're truly talented, and can make the right decisions under pressure,
> > you'll rise up the ladder rapidly.
> > Here are some points to consider:
> > -In college, trade school, classroom training, you're exposed to the
> > environment maybe 8 hours a week...and that's if you're a conscientious
> > student. When you're working full-time, you're exposed to the
environment
> > 40-50 hours a week...and that's if you're not studying in your
> > "free" time.
> > -In classroom based training, the problems occur right on schedule and
> > you've usually got the entire class period to work out a 15
> > minute problem.
> > In production, the problems occur when you least expect them and when
you
> > least can afford them; you've got 15 minutes to work out a problem that
> > should take a day to resolve, and all while the client (who pays your
> > check) is asking, every minute or two, why the network is down.
> > -In classroom training, your screwup causes you to take longer to finish
> > the configuration lab and might cause your grade to be lowered by
> > a letter.
> > In production, your screwup causes real monetary losses to your client;
> > and, in a worst case scenerio, could get you fired.
> > -In classroom training, you're never forced to make a decision
> > that affects
> > thousands of users in less time than most people spend deciding what to
> > have for lunch. The ability to think of the ramifications of your
actions
> > can make or break your career. Unfortunately, there's little big
picture
> > thinking in configuring and troubleshooting a 2600 in a lab.
> >
> > With all that said, I think classroom training is an excellent thing and
> > well worth the effort you put into it. If you're wise, you'll
> > get a job as
> > an intern or co-op while you're taking the classes. That way, when you
> > graduate, you'll be able to honestly say that you have some real world
> > experience.
> >
> > Just my $0.02....
> > Craig
> >
> >
> > >On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Rodriguez, Noel wrote:
> > >
> > >> I keep reading messages that from individuals of the lack of
> > >> experience or hands on. My question to the group, would be this: I
> > >> am attending a community college associated with the CISCO academy.
> > >> In our labs we configure, troubleshoot 2500 series routers. Would
> > >> employers consider this "experience"? In their "sell" of the
program,
> > >> we are to understand that this program, can be considered as two
years
> > >> of experience, because of the hands on. Feedback?
> > >> Noel
> > >>
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