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Any time you can get your hands on a router, it is a good thing (unless
you are called in a 2am to look at it and then it is a NUISANCE!).
However, it is my feeling that there are simply some real world
eventualities that can not be duplicated in the lab.  

I have 2+ years experience and it didn't feel anything like a lab.  Most
of the time I WISHED I had a lab to test scenario's in.  Now I use
customer routers before they are deployed to "lab it out".

Working a production environment is DIFFERENT.  Take it from someone who
has undocked his laptop in a panic and grabbed a console cable on the run
FAR more times than I want to remember.

The router is a router is a router and you may well be more of an expert
on the _router_ than _I_ am given the same time frame, but I am more of an
expert of a router in production, of that I have NO doubts.

How many times does a telco TELL you the circuit is ok before they admit
that it is their problem?  WILL they admit the problem?  How can you prove
to a server guy that the reason his server is slow is NOT due to the
network?  Same goes for PC's, can you prove that they problem is not the
network but the PC?

You ever swap hubs or switches in the middle of the day without anyone of
the 24-48 users NOTICING that you did it?  I have.  =-)  Come to think of
it, I believe that I have done intermediate level switches as well.

Can you mount a switch in a rack (Not the weenie CAbletron 8H02's, I'm
talking about the Cisco Catalyst 3000 tanks)....holding it in place with
one hand while pulling 192 patch cables out of the way with the other
hoping you don't unplug someone who is going to complain too loudly, and
also that once you get this switch where you want it, that you'll still be
able to reach the screws that you had set aside?  Or CUT a fiber on those
"now I wished they'd filed the sharp edges a little more" rack mount
hardware?  Oh...all while standing on the "Not a Step" part of a ladder?
=-)

These are the fun parts of the job that you just don't learn in a lab.

If you specify "2 years of experience" I'd suggest making SURE that the
prospective employer KNOWS it is two years of lab work.  


On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Rodriguez, Noel wrote:

> I keep reading messages that from individuals of the lack of 
> experience or hands on.  My question to the group, would be this:  I 
> am attending a community college associated with the CISCO academy. 
>  In our labs we configure, troubleshoot 2500 series routers.  Would 
> employers consider this "experience"?  In their "sell" of the program, 
> we are to understand that this program, can be considered as two years 
> of experience, because of the hands on.  Feedback?
> Noel
> 
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