I agree w/ you - there's no guarantee on salary - however, I'm going by an
industry
standard salary survey - done by a certification-focused website:
http://www.certmag.com/salarycalculator/calculator2003.cfm
Here's what it told me:
Here is the average salary for people with Cisco CCIE certification
and 8 to 11 years of IT experience near zip code 48040:
Certification Near Location Average Salary
Cisco CCIE MARYSVILLE, MI $113,737.50
Who knows....-Wayne
-----Original message-----
From: "Joseph D. Phillips" josephdphillips@xxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:09:43 -0400
To: "Wayne Lawson" groupstudy@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: IPexpert vs. Internetwork Expert Workbooks [7:91806]
> I agree with you, Mr. Lawson, except with one of your statements.
>
> It's an obscene and cruel exaggeration to be telling CCIE candidates that
> this certification is worth a six-figure salary in today's market.
>
> Has anyone done a salary survey of those CCIEs who acquired their
> certification within the last year?
>
> I know several CCIEs and none of them make close to $100,000. Several of
> them, in fact, are still looking for work.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wayne Lawson"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 07:33
> Subject: RE: IPexpert vs. Internetwork Expert Workbooks [7:91806]
>
>
> > Brian,
> >
> > Ever hear the saying, "You get what you pay for!"?.....
> >
> > It's amazing, everyone wants their CCIE - yet they bitch and cry when
> they
> > have to pay $500 for 2 books (each w/ 500+ pages, color / detailed
> diagrams,
> > technical tips, professionally bound w/ front and back cover - and
> > solutions. These books provide you with enough material to pass, you
> > receive free tech support and are given a structured learning approach to
> > achieving a certification that will earn you six figures - but $500 is
too
> > much. Instead - let's spend 4 years and $30k - and earn a BS degree that
> > will allow you to pull in an average of $35k to $60k - much smarter! ;-)
-
> > Definitely a better buy - right?!?!??....
> >
> > People spend thousands of dollars on the HW, but when it comes to
buying
> > the actually "learning content" - they cry, steal and try to figure out
> how
> > to get the material free. Well Brian, the reason our price is $500 is
> > because people DO steal. If we received a fee for everyone using our
> > VALUABLE material - we could easily cut our prices in half. It's too bad
> > thieves ruin it for everyone. If you think $500 is too much for a
> complete
> > CCIE learning kit...maybe you should attempt the A+ cert - I can get you
a
> > study kit for about $50.00 -grin- Oh, and before you reply - I don't mean
> to
> > give you an attitude, but posts like this are absolutely ridiculous - and
> > need a direct and firm response. If you still think $500 is too much,
> > contact our success stories who are now earning a solid living - ask them
> if
> > it was a wasted investment.
> >
> > - Wayne Lawson
> > President - IPexpert, Inc.
> >
> > P.S. - If you want to start a free online community - give me a call at
> > 866-225-8064. I'll pay for the hardware, bandwidth, software (bulletin
> > board SW and email list SW) - I'll even dress it up (w/ graphics) and
> supply
> > some free content.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: "brian" cisco@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:15:54 -0400
> > To: cisco@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: IPexpert vs. Internetwork Expert Workbooks [7:91806]
> >
> > > Am I the only person who thinks that this "sale" price of $500 for a
> > > workbook is still overpriced? It's no wonder that people are PTP
> sharing
> > > these things - most people can't afford them.
> > >
> > > I can see if the funding for these books was coming out of corporate
> funds,
> > > then they'd have no problem spending this $$ (if they can get it into
> > > today's tight budgets), but when it's coming out of someone's own
> pocket,
> > > this is steep. Especially considering the money ccie candidates
already
> > > have invested in home lab equipment, cisco press books, rack rental
> time,
> > > and the extremely high price of the exam itself.
> > >
> > > Whatever happened to that community-driven free labs website? Did that
> > idea
> > > never get off the ground? Can anyone recall the url? There are many
> smart
> > > people out there who have passed the CCIE and have a clue to what the
> test
> > > is like, and could whip together a lab without too much pain.
> > >
> > > It could be as simple as a website offering
> > >
> > > * An ftp server to upload a zip file of required visio diagrams, lab
> > > scenario, and a solution page
> > > * Moderator(s) to review the submitted labs, and then put them up for
> > > download on a website
> > > * A forum / mailing list for discussing the labs with peers
> > >
> > > All this can be done pretty cheap and wouldn't require that much work
> > > upfront. And the end result might be that these few companies out
there
> > > charging a lot of money for their products might have competition
enough
> to
> > > lower their prices into the reasonable range. And that people who
> aren't
> > > rich can actually get some quality free labs. Anybody willing to host
a
> > > server for this purpose?
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Wilson Chan [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 4:43 PM
> > > To: cisco@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: IPexpert vs. Internetwork Expert Workbooks [7:91806]
> > >
> > >
> > > I was looking at IPExpert's website and noticed this deal. Are you
using
> > the
> > > IPExpert's Workbook (6.0) and Proctor guide? They have a special this
> month
> > > for both (Workbook & Proctor guide) for only $499. That seems like a
> pretty
> > > good deal. Anyone else have feedback on the IPExpert's workbook &
> proctor
> > > guide? Thanks! :)
> > >
> > > ****Info from IPExpert's website****
> > > IPexpert's Ultimate Preparation Workbook for the Cisco. CCIE™
> Routing
> > > and Switching Laboratory Exam (6.0)
> > > $499.00 Buy
> > >
> > > DUE TO OVERWHELMING REQUESTS, WE HAVE EXTENDED THIS SPECIAL!
> > >
> > > Purchase IPexpert's R&S WB 6.0 this month (August) and recieve a FREE
> copy
> > > of IPexpert's CCIE R&S Proctor Guide! ($499 value)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Wilson Chan
> > > CCNP,CCDP,MCSE2k/2k3
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