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Re: Windows FTP [7:80835] posted 12/15/2003
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Michael Linehan wrote:
> 
> Yes.

Cool! No wonder nobody uses the DOS implementation anymore. 

Thanks for setting me straight, everyone.

Priscilla


> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 3:19 PM
> Subject: RE: Windows FTP [7:80835]
> 
> 
> > brian wrote:
> > >
> > > When you use IE with the ftp:// tag, it doesn't use http, it
> > > uses the ftp
> > > protocol.  It just displays the contents of the current
> folder
> > > on the ftp
> > > server graphically, similar to a windows explorer window,
> with
> > > which you can
> > > drag and drop files to and from the ftp server, or copy, cut
> > > and paste....
> > >
> > > Try it out:  ftp://ftpeng.cisco.com/pub/
> >
> > OK, thanks for the explanation. It really is just FTP! I
> checked with a
> > Sniffer. :-) Sorry for my arguments the other way.
> >
> > Could he upload files this way too? For example, just drag
> them from the
> > desktop to the Web browser window.
> >
> > Priscilla
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Again, make sure to set your browser's ftp client to use
> > > passive mode first
> > > if you need to:
> > > check the checkbox at Tools/Internet Options/Advanced/Use
> > > Passive FTP
> > >
> > > Seems silly to download (and possibly pay for) a 3rd party
> tool
> > > just to grab
> > > some files when an existing tool is available free of
> charge on
> > > most windows
> > > machines.  Now if you need to script and schedule transfers,
> > > you might want
> > > something like a ws_ftp....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:47 PM
> > > To: cisco@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: RE: Windows FTP [7:80835]
> > > Importance: Low
> > >
> > >
> > > Wilmes, Rusty wrote:
> > > >
> > > > right-click > save as...
> > > >
> > > > It works pretty well for transfers as long as your not in
> a
> > > > hurry.
> > >
> > > Right click on what?
> > >
> > > View source on the page where you right click. It's HTML.
> > >
> > > I said we are assuming that there's no Web page. It's an FTP
> > > server.
> > >
> > > Maybe a lot of FTP servers have Web-page front ends these
> days
> > > for the
> > > mousers, but if Howard's had that, I'm sure he would have
> > > thought of using a
> > > Web browser.
> > >
> > > This discussion is ridiculous! I'm outta here.
> > >
> > > Priscilla
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Priscilla Oppenheimer
> [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:36 AM
> > > > > To: cisco@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: RE: Windows FTP [7:80835]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > brian wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Most recent Internet Explorers has a built in FTP
> client
> > > > that
> > > > > > supports PASV
> > > > > > FTP.
> > > > > > You just need to turn on the passive option
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tools/Internet Options/Advanced/Use Passive FTP
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And then ftp://user:password@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> from the
> > > > > > address bar of
> > > > > > your browser.
> > > > >
> > > > > But that's for viewing text that happens to be on an FTP
> > > > > server. He wanted
> > > > > to use FTP for what it was intended: getting and putting
> > > > > files. How do you
> > > > > do that with a Web browser??? Assume that there's no Web
> > > page
> > > > > with a list of
> > > > > files.
> > > > >
> > > > > Priscilla
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Priscilla Oppenheimer
> [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 1:18 PM
> > > > > > To: cisco@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Subject: RE: Windows FTP [7:80835]
> > > > > > Importance: Low
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He told us he is in a hotel room trying to reach his
> file
> > > > > > server at the home
> > > > > > office. I bet he's doing some development work and
> needs
> > > to
> > > > put
> > > > > > and get
> > > > > > files to and from the file server. If the DOS FTP
> weren't
> > > so
> > > > > > broken it would
> > > > > > work well for this. (Well, it's not really broken but
> it
> > > > sounds
> > > > > > like he
> > > > > > needs passive mode and there's no PASV command.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How would you suggest he use the Web browser to move
> files
> > > > > > between his local
> > > > > > notebook computer and the file server? I don't think
> a Web
> > > > > > browser would
> > > > > > work for this (unless the FTP file server has a
> Web-page
> > > > front
> > > > > > end of some
> > > > > > sort.) But maybe it would. I just don't how.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I hear you that Windoze is graphically-oriented and
> the
> > > > user is
> > > > > > expected to
> > > > > > use that, but it does have a somewhat reasonable
> command
> > > > line
> > > > > > interface
> > > > > > also. In the absence of a GUI-based FTP program or
> without
> > > > file
> > > > > > sharing
> > > > > > enabled or some other GUI software application on the
> > > > Windoze
> > > > > > machine that
> > > > > > he borrowed, trying the command line was appropriate.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Priscilla
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jonathan wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I wrote:
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > > > > > > Behalf Of
> > > > > > > Jonathan
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 3:37 PM
> > > > > > > To: cisco@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: Windows FTP [7:80835]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > you wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't think the pasv command exists on the
> Windows/DOS
> > > > FTP
> > > > > > > implementation.
> > > > > > > Pretty unbelievable, but it seems to be the case.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Priscilla
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > = = =
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why do you say that?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It seems most web browsers automatically do
> passive-mode
> > > > to
> > > > > > > access the
> > > > > > > plethora of web-based passive FTP implementations.
> And
> > > we
> > > > > > *are*
> > > > > > > talking
> > > > > > > about the "Windows" operating system which pushes
> doing
> > > > > > > everything via
> > > > > > > windows, not the command line.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please correct me, if I am way off base here.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jonathan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > = = =
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I guess I have to emend my own post, since several
> > > > readers who
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > contacted me offline have misinterpreted it. I
> merely
> > > > point
> > > > > > out
> > > > > > > that the
> > > > > > > MS OS is completely windows-oriented and the user
> should
> > > > be
> > > > > > > surprised
> > > > > > > that the OS even has a command line. I was not
> defending
> > > > its
> > > > > > > lack of
> > > > > > > functionality.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (Yes, I used 'emend', not 'amend.')
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sorry for any misunderstanding,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jonathan
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