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Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] posted 04/21/2002
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I'm not sure that the "limited education" part is accurate.

Most extant accounts reveal that his
(not-derived-from-an-accredited-institution, of course) education was
profound enough to leave him bored, truly bored by the academic obligations
imposed upon him during his year at Harvard. I'm trying to imagine a
scenario whereby he graduates, and ONLY earns as much as an exceptional
Harvard graduate. Assuming some kind of visionary insight/prescience,
wouldn't his parents feel cheated by that result after doling out 4 years
worth of IVY-League tuition & room/board???



----- Original Message -----
From: "nrf" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 1:14 AM
Subject: Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809]


> ""William Gragido""  wrote in message
> news:200204192025.QAA23477@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Thats not necessarily true.  Bill Gates is an excellent example of
someone
> > with limited education, who went on to be a force to be reckoned with in
> the
> > business world.
>
> You have just provided a standard response - the Gates response.
>
> Several people have used that response against me.  That's why I've
> developed a standard counterresponse.  It goes something like this (I cut
> and pasted it from the site I posted it before:
>
> "...One of the ironies of the tech industry is that while there are
> indeed many tech-icons who do not hold a degree,  these people themselves
> strongly prefer degrees out of job candidates they hire.  For example,
> surely we're all aware of the degree-less tech superstars-  Bill Gates,
> Larry Ellison, Steve Jobs, Michael Dell, and the list goes on.  Yet
> interestingly enough, if you look at the top management teams and Boards
of
> Directors of the companies they run, you will notice that almost
invariably,
> those guys are the only people there who have no degree.  Everybody else
> generally has at least one, if not several degrees, and usually from the
> most famous colleges in the world - Harvard, Stanford, Berkeley, Yale,
MIT,
> Oxbridge, etc.  You would think that if anybody would know the limitations
> of a college education, it would be somebody like Bill Gates.  Yet Gates
> himself has chosen to surround himself with an extraordinarily
well-educated
> management team, so that means that even a dropout like Gates realizes the
> value of the degree.  If Gates thought the degree wasn't particularly
useful
> (and who in the world could make such a claim more credibly than him?),
then
> why didn't he just hire a bunch of  dropouts to be the Microsoft
management
> team?  So clearly there must be something good (very good) about that
> degree."
>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
> > nrf
> > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 3:10 PM
> > To: cisco@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809]
> >
> >
> > I understand.  But on the other hand, if you have ambitions to be the
CxO,
> a
> > CCIE  isn't going to cut it.  Like you said, it's a case of what you
want
> > out of life.
> >
> > However, what I will definitely say is this.  If you work for a company
> that
> > is willing to finance your degree at night school, you're a fool not to
> take
> > it.  If you're not the one paying for it, you should get as many degrees
> as
> > you can, because you never know what's going to happen in the future.
> >
> >
> >
> > ""Wes Stevens""  wrote in message
> > news:200204181944.PAA25533@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > A lot of it is what you want out of life. I will be 50 in 5 years and
am
> > > perfectly happy playing with cisco's. I make more money then my boss
> with
> > > the mba does and have more job security. What happens if you get laid
> off
> > at
> > > 45 or 50 with a middle to upper management job? If you are not way up
> > there
> > > in the corner office area you are going to have a hard time finding a
> job.
> > I
> > > work for a company in the fortune top 5 that is very stable. Yet this
> > > economy is hitting us also. They are going to cut my office way back
> from
> > > 500 people to 200 by the end of the year. They will offer me a job in
> > > Houston as they can always find a spot for a cisco network engineer.
My
> > boss
> > > and a lot of other are really scrambling. There are no jobs in the
local
> > > market and less chances of them finding a place in another part of the
> > > company as they are cutting back everywhere.
> > >
> > > Just some food for thought.
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "nrf"
> > > >Reply-To: "nrf"
> > > >To: cisco@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >Subject: Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809]
> > > >Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:37:51 -0400
> > > >
> > > >""Drew""  wrote in message
> > > >news:200204181824.OAA00417@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Sean Knox wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was actually heading towards my CCIE, but after getting my
CCNP,
> I
> > > >am
> > > > > > content with that for now and and getting more experience
> > (fortunately
> > > >I
> > > >am
> > > > > > not some new wide-eyed kid in the field and have been doing this
> > > >awhile).
> > > > > > Congrats on your decision to pursue your MBA and I wish you
luck.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I made a similar decision myself within the last few weeks.  I had
> > > > > planned on pursuing my CCIE-Security, but realize that I don't
work
> > > > > enough with Cisco products on a daily basis, and certainly not
with
> > > > > routing in a complex way, to feel that I would deserve the cert,
> even
> > > > > if I attained it.  I'm going back to school for my MS in CS,
> starting
> > > > > classes in June.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think in the long run, an advanced degree is more of a benefit
> than
> > > > > an advanced vendor cert.  But thats just me.
> > > >
> > > >Exactly.  Especially later in your life.  Fiddling with Cisco boxes
> might
> > > >be
> > > >cool now, but do you still want to be doing that when you're 50?
> > Probably
> > > >not, you probably want to be sitting in a director's chair ordering
> other
> > > >young guys to set up the systems.  It's hard to win promotion to that
> > chair
> > > >without an advanced education.
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