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Re: CCIE Written Reading.. [7:41017] posted 04/13/2002
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A few concerns:

I'm not sure that "leeway" to "surf" & "chat" constitutes a better life/job.
That could just as easily be a sign that a position or a company is in in
trouble due to lack of business.

More realistically, not being allowed to "surf" newsgroups on company time
means that you are denied access to solutions that are not documented
anywhere else.

This has several consequences:

1. You must use their time to duplicate extant solutions.

2. You possibly improve your skills by independently deriving the solution.

This does not scale well for your employer: they have to wait for you to
come up with answers that others can extract via an online search, and you
become more expensive to retain over time (rendering your case for someone
in the opposite or nearly opposite situation to be in possession of "a
better life" all the weaker).

The "chat" case is a little more ambiguous.

While posting to newsgroups allows you to gain valuable practice (again, a
case where you potentially further your own marketability), it does
represent instances where you are sharing knowledge outside your employer's
talent pool and are not working on revenue generating matters (note: I'm
explicitly ignoring any social networking opportunities that might emerge as
a result of such interaction).

Other employers vary widely concerning these issues.

I'm not sure encouraging a technically-oriented Cisco employee to forego
pursuit  of a CCIE certification holds up as valid (impartial) advice.

As far as income/job/life goes, I'm not sure that any software/hardware
provider is safe from having their business eroded by their own increasing
efficiency or the efforts by competitors to leapfrog their current set of
capabilities. The entire world is banding together to reduce IT salaries,
and the success of those efforts would reduce both the overall quality and
achievable salaries of the remaining jobs (caveat: some jobs would certainly
remain interesting or possibly grow more appealing, but the number of
positions available for those roles would probably shrink).

Finally, I'm not sure that a company that routinely trims 5% during
unimaginably good times is the right one to passively cling on to as
suggested in your "Forget CCIE and hold on to your good Cisco Systems
employer" suggestion.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 10:45 PM
Subject: RE: CCIE Written Reading.. [7:41017]

> Larry,
> Well, it did work for me and as you see I am going for the lab now.
> Of course, ccbootcamp, Boson, cerificationzone these are all just tools.
> actual result varies depending on the person's capacity.
> But, I am curious. Why do you want to become a CCIE?
> I want to become a CCIE with the hope and anticipation of a better job, a
> better income, and a better life.
> You already have a better life. Your signature says you work for Cisco,
> you
> are constantly on this list. This means you are getting paid for surfing
> chatting! This is an ultimate job. I love it.
> I don't believe any other employer would give you so much leway  even if
> were holding a PhD in brainsurgery. Where I work, we are not allowd to
> the
> web and participate in newsgroups when we are on the clock

> Forget CCIE and hold on to your good Cisco Systems employer, and shoot me
> application form if they are hiring :-)
> Best wishes,
> A Strobel   (working on the lab exam....)
> Quoting Larry Letterman :
> > Bernard's test does not work well, I would advise
> > using dennis L.'s boson # 3 test. Its a better test for
> > written.
> >
> >
> > Larry Letterman
> > Cisco Systems
> > lletterm@xxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
> > ccie@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 11:20 AM
> > To: cisco@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: CCIE Written Reading.. [7:41017]
> >
> >
> > Kris,
> >
> > I am sure you will find tons of info on this subject in archives.
> > Strategies are different from person to person.
> > I used the following to pass my written:
> >
> > -Bruce Caslow's Book (1st or 2nd edition)
> > -Boson #1 by Bernard
> > -CCO
> >
> > You can add to your arsenal if you are an avid
> > reader. They have excellent white papers.
> >
> > During the period that you wait and practice for you lab, you can read:
> > Halabi
> > Jeff Doyle (1 &2)
> > BGP-4 by parkhurst
> > and many more.
> >
> > Good luck,
> > A Strobel ( working on the lab exam.........)
> >
> >
> >
> > Quoting Kris Keen :
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I'll be preparing for the CCIE written exam very shortly, Im in the
> > process
> > > of building the tid bits for my lab and collecting the reading
> > >
> > > What books should I read at a min, and what would be even more
> > advantgeous?
> > >
> > > I have all the CCNP books (Exam Cert Guides) and Doyles TCPIP Vol 1.
> > >
> > > Please help...
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > > Kris
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