I apologize if my email insinuated that you aren't talented or qualified;
that wasn't my intent. I applaud your motives for pursuing the IE; they
aren't far from my own. I think you should be prepared though, as should I,
to find out after we get our numbers that the CCIE is going to be listed for
many jobs as a minimum requirement. The job market is governed by supply and
demand; it always has been, it always will be. The demand for IE's has
dropped, while the supply is steadily increasing.
Good luck with your job hunt, and likewise I hope your lab goes well. Have
you set a date yet?
From: x [mailto:tomm02@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thu 4/4/2002 12:29 PM
Subject: RE: Are all the Cisco jobs for CCIEs? [7:40328]
I guess I wasn't completely clear in my original post.
I am not a recent CCNA graduate with no experience in
the field or a "street vendor"(this one is pretty
funny to me living in New York). I am looking for
Cisco career advice. Judging from the responses, I am
not the only person who wants to make the leap from a
job that is part time Cisco to full time Cisco.
I have been in the IT field for 6 years and moved from
desktop, to Novell, to NT, to Unix. I passed the CNE
and got a junior Novell position. I passed the MCSE
and then got a junior position. I worked on learning
OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Solaris, and Redhat Linux and got a
NT/Unix job that included Cisco switches, a vpn
concentrator, a PIX and a PIX to PIX vpn. I also
passed the CCDA, CCNA, CCNP, and the CCIE written. I
am planning on taking the CCDP and CSS-1 before
finishing my CCIE. I have my own home lab complete
with 6 routers and a Catalyst 5000. I would like to
get more hands on Cisco experience in the real world
before I try the CCIE Lab. I am in a position now
where I am certified to a degree, have some
experience, and a home lab. Usually at this point I
can land a junior position and get real experience to
move into a senior position. It just seems like a huge
gap in the job market.
All the job ads from Hotjobs, monster, and headhunter
are looking for Cisco people are asking for CCIE's or
people with 5+ years experience. These people had to
get that experience somewhere and there must be Cisco
positions that don't require a CCIE. I am going to go
out on a limb assuming there are company's with 10 to
20 routers or resellers that need CCNPs or companies
that can't afford to hire a CCIE, but need Cisco help.
Where are these jobs posted? Do I need to know a
secret handshake? hehe If you are a CCIE or have 5+
years Cisco experience how did you get it(Priscilla
Openhiemer might have spelled that wrong or any other
CCIEs or highly experienced people on the list)? I
would like to hear your story of how you "made it."
Maybe it can give me an idea of what I need to do.
This brings me to why I want to be a CCIE. I first
heard the CCIE was the most difficult certification to
achieve when I was just starting in networking. I was
told the CCIE Lab is almost impossible and there were
only about 5,000 CCIEs compared to 80,000 MCSEs or
CNEs. I was hooked. Its not about the money, because
anyone can make plenty of money just doing Microsoft,
Novell and/or Unix with alot less effort. It isn't
because Cisco is "hot." Its because this is the
biggest challenge in networking and when I do
something I want to be the best.
From: Logan, Harold [mailto:loganh@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 4:24 PM
Subject: RE: Are all the Cisco jobs for CCIEs?
I don't mean to offend anyone, but the job market
doesn't owe anyone a job,
and I include myself with that statement. Right now a
CCNA or NP with little
or no experience is going to have as much luck selling
that skillset as a
street vendor selling "September 11th - We will not
forget" stickers. There
was a heavy demand for them 6 months ago, but there's
hardly any demand for
them now. If you don't think that analogy applies to
IT, then there are some
COBOL programmers I'd like to introduce you to.
Face it, there is little if any demand forpeople with
just a CCNA, or even
an NP without much work experience. I feel bad for
you, I really do. So
adapt; look to see what there is a demand for, and
more importantly what
there will be a demand for, and work towards fitting
Sorry if I sound bitter, but here's my perspective -
every year my school
kicks out at least a dozen CCNA's, and that's
From: Lomker, Michael [mailto:mlomker@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Wed 4/3/2002 2:49 PM
Subject: RE: Are all the Cisco jobs for CCIEs?
> How do I get a job that works with Cisco products,
> without alot of experience or a CCIE?
No kidding and good luck. Even when the economy was
good I couldn't find a
job. If you have a BSEE your odds are a lot better,
but my business degree
didn't get me anywhere.
My current position is 75% NT and 25% Cisco. You
might have to find a job
like mine at a company that will give you some
exposure to the Cisco
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