Wrong.
The book is soley based on passing a certain test. The technology discussed
is intertwined with the test questions and content.
I suppose if people are not willing to post anything supporting my concerns
of the Cisco professional certification and the increasing number of
paper-titles, then I will need to withdraw.
No, there are no 'entry-level' internetworking professions. You start out as
a low-level network admin or technician and work your way up, gaining
experience. This is where the Internetworking professionals come from. No
one walks off the street in an 'entry-level' network engineer job. My point
was that I was concerned with paper-titles, and apparently you are not.
That's OK with you, as long as it doesn't affect you. My concern is about
all of us experienced professionals and the REPUTATION of the Cisco
Certification. I'm sorry for being so self-less.
btw...GM, FORD..etc. Quality never goes up. Always the same. Bad. How else
are they going to get you to buy a new car every 4 years?
Marc
"Rik Guyler" <rguyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Todd didn't actually say that the book "only" teaches enough to pass the
> test. He said that his book covers the information well enough to pass
the
> test. Having read 3 of his books (CCDA, CLSC, ACRC), I can attest to the
> fact that they do not just teach you to "only" pass the test.
>
> You can't put every possible topic in a single book or test. That's why
we
> must read many books and take many tests on our path to certification.
CCNA
> is an entry-level certification and I don't believe any employers out
there
> think you a network guru solely on the merit of having this certification.
> It's just a way to get into the door, so having a book that specifically
> prepares you for CCNA is only a good thing. We could all read 20 or 30
> books over the next couple of years and then possibly pass all of the cert
> tests at once. Personally, however, I like to get the certs in order and
in
> a gradual procession. Besides, I think that anybody that can read a book
> (versus taking a class), absorb the material, and then pass what is
> considered a difficult test has the ability to be successful in this
> industry. Everybody starts out somewhere and CCNA is just as good a
> starting point as any other.
>
> If you are so worried about dilution of job opportunities, maybe you
aren't
> as strong in this field as you think. Somebody with proven experience and
> certifications will always rise above the crowd when the competition heats
> up. After all, doesn't competition increase quality rather than decrease
> it? Ask GM, Ford, and Chrysler about that.
>
> By the way, Todd didn't break the NDA. Divulging the number of questions,
> time allotted, and passing score is not a violation. You can contact
Cisco
> directly for the same information. He didn't claim to give any specific
> content from the test, but rather that the book will train you well enough
> to pass it. After all, what good is the book if you can't pass the exam
> afterwards? I think we would all agree that passing the exam is a primary
> reason for reading a CCNA book!
>
> Way to go Todd! You make entering the world of Cisco much easier for
people
> that are new to networking. I have done this for years, but we will
always
> need more entry-level people to move in and eventually take over when we
> seniors decide to retire on our stock options!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marc Quibell [mailto:mquibell@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 12:16 PM
> To: cisco@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: new CCNA 2.0
>
>
> Actually, I use Cisco Press books that teach you the subject or help you
> brush up on the technology. I don't read books or peruse practice tests
> (Boson, CCNA study guides, Exam Cram...etc) that have only one goal in
mind:
> Get you to buy their book that teaches you how to pass the test. Why else
> would Mr. Lammle write a book covering the new exam only? This is what I
> termed 'dilution'. Books and cheat-sheet exams that cover only passing an
> exam have always been the cause of certification dysfunction.
>
> And also I believe that Mr. Lammle signed an agreement when he took the
> test. Revealing the contents of the exam in a book is a violation of that
> agreement. :')
>
> Marc
>
>
> ""Chris Gore"" <cgore@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:8emtos$uvu$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > "Chris Gore" <cgore@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:...
> > > OK...But what do you really think?! It is not the books that are on
the
> > > market that dilute the certifications; it's the tests themselves! You
> are
> > > making a point to the wrong person. We all use books to educate
> ourselves.
> > > But if the test is easy (CCNA) then the cert is only apiece paper.
> Hummmm
> > I
> > > wonder if you ever used a book??
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > ""Marc Quibell"" <mquibell@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > news:8emof0$e5f$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Nice ad! Say, maybe u could write yet another book called, CCIE for
> the
> > > > inexperienced. Make it about 200 pages and then you can dilute that
> > > > certification as well??!?
> > > >
> > > > Marc
> > > >
> > > > ""Todd Lammle"" <globalnetsys@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > > news:002701bfb2d6$80e4b180$0100a8c0@xxxxxxxxx
> > > > > I took the CCNA 2.0 exam yesterday. It had 65 questions in 75
> minutes,
> > > > with
> > > > > a passing score of 822 out off 1000. I received a 1000, which
means
> I
> > > > missed
> > > > > none. You cannot go back to questions once answered.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a new book (CCNA 2.0) coming out in about three weeks. It
has
> > > > > absolutely everything you will find on the exam. I have included
> over
> > > 400
> > > > > practice exam questions, 250 flash cards, plus both written and
> > hands-on
> > > > > labs to make sure you are tuned and ready for the new exam. All
> > hands-on
> > > > > labs in the book can be used with my Routersim product
> > > > (www.routersim.com),
> > > > > and/or Sybex's CCNA e-trainer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Good luck,
> > > > > Todd Lammle
> > > > >
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