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Re: new CCNA 2.0 posted 05/02/2000
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Well said!!

"Ole Drews Jensen" <OJensen@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:2019FB428FD3D311893700508B71EBFB1349F0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> I would like to comment your statement.
>
> I have read many many many books, and I do not see Study Guides as books
> that only has the purpose of teaching you to pass an exam. A good example
is
> Todd Lammle's Study Guide, which is actually bigger than the official
course
> book.
>
> I believe that the major job of Study Guides is to "talk" to normal people
> in a more normal language than many of the official books, user guides,
etc
> fails to do. I have seen books made by the manufactor of a product that I
> had to put back in the box after reading them over and over without them
> making any sense.
>
> I have used many of Todd Lammle's books together with other books to help
me
> understand the various topics, and then of course (very important)
practise
> it with your own hands. I see that as learning you the material, telling
you
> how to practise it, and then testing you to see if you understood what the
> book was trying to tell you. I do not see it as teaching you to pass the
> test.
>
> Back in the early 80's where I bought my Commodore 64, I tried to read the
> Commodore 64 User Guide, but found that it would probably be easier to
learn
> Arabic Folk Dance in Yoga Style. I managed to find a good study guide, and
> after I saw the bytes as train wagens and bits as eight windows in each
> train wagen, I understood what Commodore had been talking about in their
> manual, and I have since then been programming some pretty complex
routines
> in machine code and assembler.
>
> If you can learn what you need to understand only by reading the official
> course manuals, I am happy for you, but isn't a course manual made to
teach
> you about the topics of a course so you can pass the matching exam?
>
> I don't really read any violation in Mr. Lammle's exam information other
> than the number of questions and how much time you have, which both of
those
> you will be informed about before you click the START EXAM button.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> Ole
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>  Ole Drews Jensen
>  Systems Network Manager
>  MCSE, MCP+I
>  RWR Enterprises, Inc.
>  OJensen@xxxxxxx
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Marc Quibell [mailto:mquibell@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 12:21 PM
> > To: cisco@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: new CCNA 2.0
> >
> >
> > Actually, I use Cisco Press books that teach you the subject
> > or help you
> > brush up on the technology. I don't read books or peruse
> > practice tests
> > (Boson, CCNA study guides, Exam Cram...etc) that have only
> > one goal in mind:
> > Get you to buy their book that teaches you how to pass the
> > test. Why else
> > would Mr. Lammle write a book covering the new exam only?
> > This is what I
> > termed 'dilution'.  Books and cheat-sheet exams that cover
> > only passing an
> > exam have always been the cause of certification dysfunction.
> >
> > And also I believe that Mr. Lammle signed an agreement when
> > he took the
> > test. Revealing the contents of the exam in a book is a
> > violation of that
> > agreement. :')
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> >
> > ""Todd Lammle"" <globalnetsys@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:002701bfb2d6$80e4b180$0100a8c0@xxxxxxxxx
> > > I took the CCNA 2.0 exam yesterday. It had 65 questions in
> > 75 minutes,
> > with
> > > a passing score of 822 out off 1000. I received a 1000,
> > which means I
> > missed
> > > none. You cannot go back to questions once answered.
> > >
> > > I have a new book (CCNA 2.0) coming out in about three weeks. It has
> > > absolutely everything you will find on the exam. I have
> > included over 400
> > > practice exam questions, 250 flash cards, plus both written
> > and hands-on
> > > labs to make sure you are tuned and ready for the new exam.
> > All hands-on
> > > labs in the book can be used with my Routersim product
> > (www.routersim.com),
> > > and/or Sybex's CCNA e-trainer.
> > >
> > > Good luck,
> > > Todd Lammle
> > >
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