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Re: IE Announcement posted 11/05/2008
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Quote "CCNA in 6 months? If it takes someone 6 months to get a CCNA, they
should
look into a different line of work."

Sandra: this is complete bull. And Nabrik, how can you agree?

If CCNA is 5 days, and CCNP is 4x 5 days, and CCIE is 1x 15 days, then what?
>From "I can configure IP address on WinXP machine" to "I am CCIE" in 40
business days???

Come on... Why would you boast about years of experience, if you believe
couple of days is enough?

ONLY if you have many years of experience 15 days of CCIE training might be
enough, but if you just fundamentally don't understand concept of say
Asser/Querier/Designated Router in Multicast routing, how can you UNDERSTAND
it, if it's not even covered? Or as colleague point out, how about all the
topics that are just left out of the trainings because of enormous amount of
information?

What's next? Become a Surgeon in 10 days? Becuase that is the analogy that
you are advising, Sandra.


On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Sandra Davis <sandradvs61@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> IE's announcement - complete bullshit
>
>
>
> Internetwork Expert was not "selected" to be a part of the program. IE
> applied to be a part of the program
>
> under tech 2000. THEY LOST the RFP!!! Plain and simple.
>
>
>
> Yes, a CLP can offer training in multiple markets if they meet the
> requirements.
>
>
>
> Investment protection? Scholarship program? Hell yes, you can give away
> training, you just have to pay cisco for the royalties.
>
>
>
> The TRUTH is that IE would have to pay royalties to deliver Cisco CCIE
> classes and pay royalties for workbooks.
>
> So, YES, this IS about money! Don't believe the bullshit in the
> presentation.
>
>
>
> The number of kits comment is complete crap. There is no longer a kit
> requirement.
>
>
>
> Don't want to flaunt out in public?! Then why mention how much $ you are
> doing?! Come on!
>
>
>
> Nothing against Cisco? WTF! Of course you have to have Cisco equipment
> because you offer Cisco grey market
>
> training.
>
>
>
> Scrapping products? UNTRUE! You can "compliment" the current 360 offering
> with current products.
>
>
>
> Lower level certification classes you can develop pre-class study material
> to make sure the student has the proper
>
> knowledge prior to entering a class.
>
>
>
> IE is suggesting shortcuts for becoming a CCIE. No concern for actual
> learning!
>
>
>
> Nice slide! "Customer Success Manages" was supposed to be Customer Success
> Managers. Great proof reading!
>
>
>
> If classes are as bad as this presentation, then their classes must suck.
>
>
>
> Mailing list issues? IE is one of the biggest issues that spams the hell
> out
> of mailing lists!!!
>
>
>
> Customer blogs vendor neutral? My ass!
>
>
>
> Real world examples? Yeah, right. NONE of the IE instructors are IN the
> real
> world! They all do nothing but teach.
>
>
>
> CCNA in 6 months? If it takes someone 6 months to get a CCNA, they should
> look into a different line of work.
>
>
>
> This was basically ONE BIG F*N INFOMMERCIAL!!!!  CRAP!!!
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Narbik Kocharians
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:55 PM
> To: L. Jankok
> Cc: Brian McGahan; asequeira@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: IE Announcement
>
> unbelievable.....Unbelievable
>
> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:59 PM, L. Jankok <ljankok@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Great, I am viewing :)
> >
> > 2008/10/30 Brian McGahan <bmcgahan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> > > The recording can be viewed here:
> > > http://ieclass.internetworkexpert.com/p95047727/
> > >
> > > More info will be posted on the details of the updates soon.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
> > > bmcgahan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> <
> > http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 705
> > > Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 705
> > >
> > >
> > > L. Jankok wrote:
> > >
> > > I am viewing Diego now, together with my 3 year old son :D
> > >
> > > 2008/10/30 Anthony Sequeira <asequeira@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <
> > asequeira@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >
> > >   So sorry you experienced a problem with your live viewing. We will be
> > sure
> > > to make the recording available to all very soon.
> > >
> > >
> > > Warmest regards,
> > >
> > > Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251
> > > Senior CCIE Instructor
> > > asequeira@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> <
> > http://www.internetworkexpert.com/> <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> <
> > http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> > >
> > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > > Outside US: 775-826-4344
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "L. Jankok" <ljankok@xxxxxxxxx> <ljankok@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Thu, October 30, 2008 12:55
> > > Subject:Re: IE Announcement
> > >
> > > Well... I was in watching the presentation, than my screen went blank
> so
> > I
> > > hitted F5 and got a page telling me that the meeting
> > > is already in progress.. pretty dissapointing :(
> > >
> > > 2008/10/30 Atlanta CCIE <atlantaccie@xxxxxxxxx> <atlantaccie@xxxxxxxxx
> >
> > >
> > >       I was not able to login either. Says recording will be posted lol
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Mike Leske <mike.leske@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I already got a mail stating that two many registered for the event.
> > > I have to wait un
> > >
> > >
> > > 2008/10/30 Andrew Dempsey <apdccie@xxxxxxxxx> <apdccie@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >
> > >         Pretty sure the news will hit this list within minutes anyway.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Ali Mousawi <mousawi.ali@xxxxxxxxx> <
> > mousawi.ali@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >
> > >  > > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >   it seems no place for non IE customers :(
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Rick Mur <murserver@xxxxxx> <
> > murserver@xxxxxx>
> >  >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >   Don't know if I break some NDA for it but:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > http://ieclass.internetworkexpert.com/announcement/?launcher=false
> > >
> > >   log-in with your standard classroom account
> > >
> > >
> > > On 30 okt 2008, at 18:46, Ali Mousawi wrote:
> > >
> > >   Hello,
> > >
> > >
> > > Is the announcment in 15 mins? I signed up but how will i join i
> > >
> > >
> > > didnt
> > >
> > >
> > >  get
> > >
> > >
> > >  any link?
> > >
> > >
> > > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > ----- End of original message -----
> > >
> > >
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> --
> Narbik Kocharians
> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
> www.MicronicsTraining
> www.Net-Workbooks.com
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