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Re: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles posted 06/04/2008
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Great point! I'm more than happy to take their money so I can sit
around in "standby mode".

My only concern is that my skills will atrophy after a few years of doing this.

Does anyone know of an environment where you can use at least 50% of
your skills 90% of the time?

I miss my old NOC days. The pay was crap but the job was exciting and
you got recognition for saving the day...

On 6/4/08, Morris, Jason L. <Jasmorris@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> From my perspective, they pay big bucks to have someone set around and
> configure switch ports so that when the shit hits the fan that person is
> already there.  Having someone who knows what they're doing minimizes
> down time, day to day operation doesn't require that level of skill but
> as a company when you need that level of skill you need it now.
>
> An old boss once told me 'I expect 10% out of you 90% of the time, but
> the other 10% of the time I expect 150% of what someone else can give
> me.' and I think that's where the value comes from.
>
>
> Jason Morris
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Gregory Gombas
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:23 AM
> To: Joseph Brunner
> Cc: Jonathan Greenwood II; Dane Newman; Brad Ellis; Chris Gray; Tony
> Varriale; ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
>
> I don't care how big a cut the middleman is taking, as long as I get a
> fat paycheck at the end of the week!
>
> My point is, why bust my ass getting Master certified, when I can't
> find a company that will use even a tenth of my current skills?
>
> I often laugh at the laundry list of job requirements recruiters send
> me, knowing full well I wouldn't be working on half of those
> technologies....
>
> I'm curious - if I get master certification, will I then move up to
> creating vlans?
>
>
> On 6/4/08, Joseph Brunner <joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Middlemen (staff augmentation "Consulting" firms, head hunters,
> recruiters,
> > gold partners)
> >
> > All want to sell their clients the *best*. If this year's best is a
> guy a
> > who is a "master architect" instead of a "internet expert", well all
> the
> > better.
> >
> > >Many employers are quite content at paying a CCIE big bucks to assign
> > >IP addresses and configure switch ports all day!
> >
> > Learn how the game works.... someone is making money off you...
> remember,
> > what Chris Rock said "Shaq is rich, the guy who signs Shaq's checks is
> > WEALTHY!!!"
> >
> > If you are the *direct* full time employee at a company disregard
> this...
> > If you are making X per your, rest assured you are being billing out
> 1.5x to
> > 5x (or more) per hour for your services....
> >
> > I met someone who worked for Uncle Sam. Some defense contractor staff
> > augmentation firm (like Lockheed Martin, etc) was billing him out at
> $600
> > per hour!!!!
> >
> > So if a CCIE is sitting there changing speed and duplex on switch
> ports all
> > day, its so some guy can make his $$$ on his connections USING your
> ass!
> >
> > Don't forget that.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gregory Gombas [mailto:ggombas@xxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 9:43 AM
> > To: Jonathan Greenwood II
> > Cc: Joseph Brunner; Dane Newman; Brad Ellis; Chris Gray; Tony
> Varriale;
> > ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> >
> > I'm kind of chiming in late here, but why would companies demand a
> > certification more elite than the CCIE when most companies I have
> > worked for don't even utilize a fraction of the CCIE's skill set?!?
> >
> > Many employers are quite content at paying a CCIE big bucks to assign
> > IP addresses and configure switch ports all day!
> >
> >
> > On 6/3/08, Jonathan Greenwood II <gwood83@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > I don't think the CCIE Certification is anywhere on the ropes.
> There's
> > > roughly only 20K that's walked this planet to receive this
> certification
> > > since the the program started in the Mid 90's.  That's still not
> > > enough Certified to go around the globe compared to the # of
> Company's and
> > > networks that are out there.
> > >
> > > Eventually there will be alot of senior guys retiring within the
> next
> > 10yrs
> > > or so possibly unless they just can't give it up.  But a new
> generation
> > will
> > > need to pickup where the pioneers have laid the ground work such as
> a
> > young
> > > buck like myself.  I think the CCDE and CCMA are place for these
> veterans
> > to
> > > move into as the technology grows to my understanding of what Cisco
> > intends
> > > to call the "MASTER" vs "Expert"
> > >
> > > Jonathan
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Joseph Brunner
> <joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > No.
> > > >
> > > > Bad idea...
> > > >
> > > > The cert is already distracted and diluted by all the others
> things
> > (CCDE,
> > > > CCMA, etc on the horizon).
> > > >
> > > > My clients all ask me "are you going to go for the CCDE". The
> masses in
> > IT
> > > > know the bar has already been raised, and that the CCIE is now on
> the
> > > > ropes...
> > > >
> > > > -Joe
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of
> > > > Dane
> > > > Newman
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:04 PM
> > > > To: Brad Ellis
> > > > Cc: Chris Gray; Tony Varriale; ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: Re: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> > > >
> > > > Anyone else think they need to make the CCIE for the different
> topics a
> > > > different?
> > > >
> > > > Such as..
> > > >
> > > > CCVE = Cisco Certified Voice Expert
> > > > CCSE = Cisco Certifed Security Expert
> > > > CCRSE = Cisco Certified Routing and Switching Expert
> > > >
> > > > ect...
> > > >
> > > > If you tell someone your a CCIE they kinda automatically assume
> your
> > > > routing
> > > > and switching
> > > >
> > > > And yeah please update the voice lab as Brad said.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Brad Ellis <brad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I concur with that. We are looking to hire an additional CCIE
> Voice,
> > and
> > > > > it's taking a while to find one. It's pretty easy to get an R&S
> CCIE
> > > > > engineer these days (from a staffing perspective). R&S CCIE is
> still
> > in
> > > > > great demand, but voice is in even more demand - especially due
> to the
> > > > > number of Voice CCIEs that are out there. The only issue I have
> with
> > the
> > > > > whole Voice CCIE track, is that Cisco is still testing on 4.1.
> All of
> > > > > our deployments these days are 6.1. Anyone who >HAD< a 4.1, has
> > already
> > > > > upgraded to 5.x or 6.x. I don't have any customers who are
> running
> > 4.1.
> > > > > Hopefully the CCIE lab exam will soon change to reflect
> this...BEN? :)
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks,
> > > > > Brad Ellis
> > > > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
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> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > > > > Chris Gray
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:27 AM
> > > > > To: 'Tony Varriale'; ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> > > > >
> > > > > Its not that much better here in the UK. I have years of
> experience
> > > > > (Started
> > > > > for MFS Datanet in 1994). Have worked on stacks of kit most of
> which
> > has
> > > > > gone (netedge, Xyplex, Bay, GDC, Cascade, Wellfleet, Stratacom)
> which
> > is
> > > > > why
> > > > > I am working for this CCIE. Need to keep up with Cisco.
> > > > >
> > > > > But in the UK, its hard to get a job in engineering. Pre sales
> is not
> > a
> > > > > problem, but if you want to walk into an MPLS engineering role,
> at a
> > > > > decent
> > > > > salary rate (#75K and above) its almost impossible.
> > > > >
> > > > > I engaged a silver partner a few weeks back, they are offering
> #65K
> > for
> > > > > a
> > > > > pre sales role, but must have CCIE.
> > > > >
> > > > > I had a recruitment 'consultant' tell me that CCIE R&S is
> common, it s
> > > > > the
> > > > > CCIE VOICE I should have. Do these people realise what we put
> > ourselves
> > > > > through to get this certification? I bet it s a dam site more
> than
> > they
> > > > > go
> > > > > through to become a self labelled 'consultant'!
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway, Keep up the good work!
> > > > >
> > > > > KRIZ
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > > > > Tony
> > > > > Varriale
> > > > > Sent: 03 June 2008 16:06
> > > > > To: ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> > > > >
> > > > > I would rather be in OH at that pay rate.  $110k in LA is tough.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tony
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > > > > Morris, Jason L.
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:43 AM
> > > > > To: R.S. CCIE; Joseph Brunner
> > > > > Cc: ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> > > > >
> > > > > I have no idea what the market in LA is like.  I live in
> Cincinnati
> > and
> > > > > was just looking at a 'cost of living calculator', the numbers
> you
> > guys
> > > > > are throwing out are way low for the market here.  According to
> CNN
> > > > > Money 110k in LA is worth just a little over 67k in Cincinnati.
> I've
> > > > > got 2 guys on my team who just got their CCNA since joining the
> > company
> > > > > that are making that.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is the market in LA really that bad?  If so I'll never bitch
> about
> > being
> > > > > stuck in the Midwest ever again.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jason Morris
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > > > > R.S. CCIE
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:51 AM
> > > > > To: Joseph Brunner
> > > > > Cc: ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: Re: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> > > > >
> > > > > :-(
> > > > >
> > > > > That really hurts ...... Ouch!
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 11:40 PM, Joseph Brunner
> > > > > <joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >  You don't find a job at all
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Walk through a big data center  all those cabinets/cages
> there are
> > a
> > > > > lot
> > > > > > of smart hungry tech guys out of work right now
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You are not alone .
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Joe
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  ------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *From:* R.S. CCIE [mailto:r.s.cciestudy@xxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:34 AM
> > > > > > *To:* Tony Schaffran (GS)
> > > > > > *Cc:* Joseph Brunner; Roger; ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > *Subject:* Re: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What is the worst case scenario though? That is what I like to
> know
> > > > > .....
> > > > > > :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Tony Schaffran (GS) <
> > > > > > groupstudy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A CCIE with no experience, you would be lucky to get $90K
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tony Schaffran
> > > > > > Network Analyst
> > > > > > CCIE #11071
> > > > > > CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
> > > > > > NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
> > > > > >
> > > > > > www.cconlinelabs.com
> > > > > > Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> > > > > Of
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joseph Brunner
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 12:35 AM
> > > > > > To: 'Roger'; ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was joking friend...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So we do agree!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just finished a 28 hour marathon network overhaul and I'm
> home
> > > > > firing up
> > > > > > dynamips. Don't let your skill set get weakened, even for a
> few
> > hours
> > > > > to
> > > > > > sleep.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was offered a whopping $112k a year for my Jedi skills in
> NYC just
> > > > > the
> > > > > > other day... the economy is $@&ked! That was at a fortune 25
> > > > > company!!!!
> > > > > > There are like 1000's of CCIE's out of work... Citigroup, Bear
> > Sterns,
> > > > > > BofA,
> > > > > > Wachovia, Merrill Lynch, Morgan, Hedge funds, these guys are
> > bleeding
> > > > > cash
> > > > > > and are dropping IT engineering staff like there's no
> tomorrow...
> > lots
> > > > > of
> > > > > > smart guys with no dojo looking for work right now...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's about $2800 every two weeks after taxes... that MIGHT
> fill up
> > > > > my gas
> > > > > > tank, and put a few groceries in my house... LOL
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Guys, hit the books harder than ever if you want to swim
> through the
> > > > > next 3
> > > > > > or 5 years...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Joe
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> > > > > Of
> > > > > > Roger
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 3:05 AM
> > > > > > To: ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Man I hate to disagree with Joseph (and I don't all that
> often)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you are brand new CCIE, and I see that you have less then 5
> years
> > > > > exp
> > > > > > in large-mid size networks I won't pay better then 110-125
> (with
> > > > > bonus).
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have seen about 3-7 CCIE's recent in about the high 18xxx's
> &
> > > > > 19xxx's
> > > > > > they've been able to answer CCIE questions however their real
> world
> > > > > > problem solving has made me offer them much less. Reason: if
> they do
> > > > > not
> > > > > > have a wide breath of experience (2 of them never worked on
> Cat65XX)
> > > > > > more time in training and supporting them will be required
> from
> > > > > team/me.
> > > > > > We had one that said he had worked a lot of 6509's and was a
> nice
> > guy
> > > > > so
> > > > > > I took him to our server room as part of the interview and
> asked him
> > > > > > about some of the gear as I pointed it out. He couldn't tell
> me
> > which
> > > > > > blade in the 6509 was the sup.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HOWEVER if you are going to work for a cisco vendor (gold
> silver
> > etc)
> > > > > or
> > > > > > you have 6+ years, then Joseph is about right, well I hope he
> is =)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good Journey!
> > > > > > Roger
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> > > > > > > From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > Date: Sat, May 31, 2008 10:49 pm
> > > > > > > To: "'R.S. CCIE'" <r.s.cciestudy@xxxxxxxxx>, "'Cisco
> > certification'"
> > > > > > > <ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > $140,000 with 20% bonus in writing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anything less and I'll say lance Armstrong has more cajones
> than
> > > > > you, LA
> > > > > > > cabronito Vato!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
> > Behalf
> > > > > Of
> > > > > > R.S.
> > > > > > > CCIE
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 1:04 AM
> > > > > > > To: Cisco certification
> > > > > > > Subject: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What would be the minimum offer (as an employee) should a
> brand
> > new
> > > > > CCIE
> > > > > > > accept without hurting the CCIE prestige ? And this brand
> new CCIE
> > > > > only
> > > > > > has
> > > > > > > experience on 2600, 3800 routers.....etc. No experience on
> those
> > BIG
> > > > > > horses.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
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