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Re: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles posted 06/03/2008
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I don't see anything wrong with Dynamips, I used it early on as a tool,
along with my rack, and now rental access for rest to prepare.  Dynamips is
a router simulator that helps you learn the technologies, not get the
questions on the real ccie lab. I don't believe there is such thing as a
paper CCIE, as long as no schools are handing out real lab material.  I
believe about 5 years ago in San Jose a school was caught and the CEO was
ripped of his CCIEs for doing that?   HelloComp... or something rather?

regards,

Dale


On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Luan Nguyen <luan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Once you get your CCIE(s), how do you get away from
> Bootcamp/dynamips-CCIErs? :) or worse...a paper CCIE?
> Have you heard storied of people only need 2 months and 10 IE workbook to
> pass the lab?
> Certscience can bring a CCNP to a CCIE in 6 weeks and I don't think the
> prerequisite is no paper CCNP allowed...
>
> -luan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Dale
> Kling
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 3:28 PM
> To: Joseph Brunner
> Cc: Dane Newman; Brad Ellis; Chris Gray; Tony Varriale;
> ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
>
> To ALL,
>
> A little OT, but here's another perspective to the whole CCIE thing.  I've
> been in networking about 8 years and started with a Cisco 805 router that
> had corrupt flash.  My whole pursuit of the CCIE is not necessarily money.
> I think with T.S. clearance and my experience I'm doing decent, but
> certainly not rich.  I've recertified my CCNP twice and have been working
> on
> Cisco quite some time.
>
> The fact is I see a bunch of guys at work with paper CCNAs and CCNPs.  They
> all trade their study guides and trade their braindump BS and I'm sick of
> these guys with those kind of CCNPs running around making people think they
> are as qualified as me or as anyone that worked hard for their certs.  I
> laughed the other day when a guy at my work introduced himself as a Sr.
> Network Engineer, when he just started networking two years ago and
> couldn't
> get an SVI up for a whole day until I showed him what he was doing wrong,
> this was a braindump CCNP!
>
> This is the reason I'm getting a CCIE, because I know these paper
> certifiers
> just can't get a damn cheat sheet and pass the lab.  I'm looking for the
> separation from myself and these paper cert guys and CCIE is it.  I hunger
> for the knowledge, too know more then the next guy, too constantly better
> myself and move too the top.  I wish I stuck with this motivation years
> ago,
> but I'm glad I found it again about 4 months ago.  God willing, hopefully
> I'll pass the lab w/i the next couple months and can begin the SP track and
> start to move away from all these paper certifiers.
>
> I think if you have a passion for it, the money will come.  For now I will
> lean learn and constantly educate and feed that hunger I crave for
> knowledge.
>
> sincerely,
>
> Dale K.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Joseph Brunner <joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> > No.
> >
> > Bad idea...
> >
> > The cert is already distracted and diluted by all the others things
> (CCDE,
> > CCMA, etc on the horizon).
> >
> > My clients all ask me "are you going to go for the CCDE". The masses in
> IT
> > know the bar has already been raised, and that the CCIE is now on the
> > ropes...
> >
> > -Joe
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> > Dane
> > Newman
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:04 PM
> > To: Brad Ellis
> > Cc: Chris Gray; Tony Varriale; ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> >
> > Anyone else think they need to make the CCIE for the different topics a
> > different?
> >
> > Such as..
> >
> > CCVE = Cisco Certified Voice Expert
> > CCSE = Cisco Certifed Security Expert
> > CCRSE = Cisco Certified Routing and Switching Expert
> >
> > ect...
> >
> > If you tell someone your a CCIE they kinda automatically assume your
> > routing
> > and switching
> >
> > And yeah please update the voice lab as Brad said.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Brad Ellis <brad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > I concur with that. We are looking to hire an additional CCIE Voice,
> and
> > > it's taking a while to find one. It's pretty easy to get an R&S CCIE
> > > engineer these days (from a staffing perspective). R&S CCIE is still in
> > > great demand, but voice is in even more demand - especially due to the
> > > number of Voice CCIEs that are out there. The only issue I have with
> the
> > > whole Voice CCIE track, is that Cisco is still testing on 4.1. All of
> > > our deployments these days are 6.1. Anyone who >HAD< a 4.1, has already
> > > upgraded to 5.x or 6.x. I don't have any customers who are running 4.1.
> > > Hopefully the CCIE lab exam will soon change to reflect this...BEN? :)
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > > Brad Ellis
> > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> > > CCSI# 30482
> > > CEO / President
> > > CCBOOTCAMP - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO)
> > > Email: brad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> > > International: +1-702-968-5100
> > > Sydney, Australia: +61 2 8080 2725
> > > Toronto, Canada: +1-416-238-0441
> > > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
> > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> > > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> > > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
> > > Chris Gray
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:27 AM
> > > To: 'Tony Varriale'; ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> > >
> > > Its not that much better here in the UK. I have years of experience
> > > (Started
> > > for MFS Datanet in 1994). Have worked on stacks of kit most of which
> has
> > > gone (netedge, Xyplex, Bay, GDC, Cascade, Wellfleet, Stratacom) which
> is
> > > why
> > > I am working for this CCIE. Need to keep up with Cisco.
> > >
> > > But in the UK, its hard to get a job in engineering. Pre sales  is not
> a
> > > problem, but if you want to walk into an MPLS engineering role, at a
> > > decent
> > > salary rate (#75K and above) its almost impossible.
> > >
> > > I engaged a silver partner a few weeks back, they are offering #65K for
> > > a
> > > pre sales role, but must have CCIE.
> > >
> > > I had a recruitment 'consultant' tell me that CCIE R&S is common, it s
> > > the
> > > CCIE VOICE I should have. Do these people realise what we put ourselves
> > > through to get this certification? I bet it s a dam site more than they
> > > go
> > > through to become a self labelled 'consultant'!
> > >
> > > Anyway, Keep up the good work!
> > >
> > > KRIZ
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
> > > Tony
> > > Varriale
> > > Sent: 03 June 2008 16:06
> > > To: ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> > >
> > > I would rather be in OH at that pay rate.  $110k in LA is tough.
> > >
> > > Tony
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
> > > Morris, Jason L.
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:43 AM
> > > To: R.S. CCIE; Joseph Brunner
> > > Cc: ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> > >
> > > I have no idea what the market in LA is like.  I live in Cincinnati and
> > > was just looking at a 'cost of living calculator', the numbers you guys
> > > are throwing out are way low for the market here.  According to CNN
> > > Money 110k in LA is worth just a little over 67k in Cincinnati.  I've
> > > got 2 guys on my team who just got their CCNA since joining the company
> > > that are making that.
> > >
> > > Is the market in LA really that bad?  If so I'll never bitch about
> being
> > > stuck in the Midwest ever again.
> > >
> > > Jason Morris
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
> > > R.S. CCIE
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:51 AM
> > > To: Joseph Brunner
> > > Cc: ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> > >
> > > :-(
> > >
> > > That really hurts ...... Ouch!
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 11:40 PM, Joseph Brunner
> > > <joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >  You don't find a job at all
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Walk through a big data center  all those cabinets/cages  there are a
> > > lot
> > > > of smart hungry tech guys out of work right now
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You are not alone .
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Joe
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  ------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > *From:* R.S. CCIE [mailto:r.s.cciestudy@xxxxxxxxx]
> > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:34 AM
> > > > *To:* Tony Schaffran (GS)
> > > > *Cc:* Joseph Brunner; Roger; ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > *Subject:* Re: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What is the worst case scenario though? That is what I like to know
> > > .....
> > > > :-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Tony Schaffran (GS) <
> > > > groupstudy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > A CCIE with no experience, you would be lucky to get $90K
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tony Schaffran
> > > > Network Analyst
> > > > CCIE #11071
> > > > CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
> > > > NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
> > > >
> > > > www.cconlinelabs.com
> > > > Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> > > Of
> > > >
> > > > Joseph Brunner
> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 12:35 AM
> > > > To: 'Roger'; ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> > > >
> > > > I was joking friend...
> > > >
> > > > So we do agree!
> > > >
> > > > I just finished a 28 hour marathon network overhaul and I'm home
> > > firing up
> > > > dynamips. Don't let your skill set get weakened, even for a few hours
> > > to
> > > > sleep.
> > > >
> > > > I was offered a whopping $112k a year for my Jedi skills in NYC just
> > > the
> > > > other day... the economy is $@&ked! That was at a fortune 25
> > > company!!!!
> > > > There are like 1000's of CCIE's out of work... Citigroup, Bear
> Sterns,
> > > > BofA,
> > > > Wachovia, Merrill Lynch, Morgan, Hedge funds, these guys are bleeding
> > > cash
> > > > and are dropping IT engineering staff like there's no tomorrow...
> lots
> > > of
> > > > smart guys with no dojo looking for work right now...
> > > >
> > > > That's about $2800 every two weeks after taxes... that MIGHT fill up
> > > my gas
> > > > tank, and put a few groceries in my house... LOL
> > > >
> > > > Guys, hit the books harder than ever if you want to swim through the
> > > next 3
> > > > or 5 years...
> > > >
> > > > -Joe
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> > > Of
> > > > Roger
> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 3:05 AM
> > > > To: ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> > > >
> > > > Man I hate to disagree with Joseph (and I don't all that often)
> > > >
> > > > If you are brand new CCIE, and I see that you have less then 5 years
> > > exp
> > > > in large-mid size networks I won't pay better then 110-125 (with
> > > bonus).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have seen about 3-7 CCIE's recent in about the high 18xxx's &
> > > 19xxx's
> > > > they've been able to answer CCIE questions however their real world
> > > > problem solving has made me offer them much less. Reason: if they do
> > > not
> > > > have a wide breath of experience (2 of them never worked on Cat65XX)
> > > > more time in training and supporting them will be required from
> > > team/me.
> > > > We had one that said he had worked a lot of 6509's and was a nice guy
> > > so
> > > > I took him to our server room as part of the interview and asked him
> > > > about some of the gear as I pointed it out. He couldn't tell me which
> > > > blade in the 6509 was the sup.
> > > >
> > > > HOWEVER if you are going to work for a cisco vendor (gold silver etc)
> > > or
> > > > you have 6+ years, then Joseph is about right, well I hope he is =)
> > > >
> > > > Good Journey!
> > > > Roger
> > > >
> > > > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > > > Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> > > > > From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Date: Sat, May 31, 2008 10:49 pm
> > > > > To: "'R.S. CCIE'" <r.s.cciestudy@xxxxxxxxx>, "'Cisco
> certification'"
> > > > > <ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > $140,000 with 20% bonus in writing.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anything less and I'll say lance Armstrong has more cajones than
> > > you, LA
> > > > > cabronito Vato!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> > > Of
> > > > R.S.
> > > > > CCIE
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 1:04 AM
> > > > > To: Cisco certification
> > > > > Subject: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> > > > >
> > > > > What would be the minimum offer (as an employee) should a brand new
> > > CCIE
> > > > > accept without hurting the CCIE prestige ? And this brand new CCIE
> > > only
> > > > has
> > > > > experience on 2600, 3800 routers.....etc. No experience on those
> BIG
> > > > horses.
> > > > >
> > > > >
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