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RE: Interview question (was :RE: CCIE# 20863) posted 05/23/2008
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And that would be a fair enough question as well!  Like anything, an
interview is not just establishing what someone knows (especially if they
mention they have IPv6 experience!) but the boundaries of what they don't
know and whether they're more likely to admit it or make something up.

Scott 

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Salau, Yemi
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 2:45 AM
To: Scott Morris; Isabella Figarella; Rik Guyler
Cc: Dane Newman; keith tokash; tvarriale@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Cisco
certification
Subject: RE: Interview question (was :RE: CCIE# 20863)

How about "explain the ipv6 stateless autoconfiguration process"? or even
DHCP, ARP Process?
 
Many Thanks
 
Yemi Salau
 
________________________________

From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Scott Morris
Sent: Fri 23/05/2008 00:52
To: 'Isabella Figarella'; 'Rik Guyler'
Cc: 'Dane Newman'; 'keith tokash'; tvarriale@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Cisco
certification'
Subject: RE: Interview question (was :RE: CCIE# 20863)



Just playing along here....  But if I saw that someone got their CCNA back
in 1999, I would still ask them a BGP question.  Whether it was on their
exam or not, the next questions would revolve around the "what have you been
doing to increase your knowledge in the last nine years?!?!"

Scott

  _____ 

From: Isabella Figarella [mailto:gigi.ccie@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 7:16 PM
To: Rik Guyler
Cc: Dane Newman; Scott Morris; keith tokash; tvarriale@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
Cisco certification
Subject: Re: Interview question (was :RE: CCIE# 20863)


I do not recall any BGP in the 1999 version of the CCNA exam.  

Nope note there - see below.

Are you sure you are being fair to a CCNA job candidate by asking something
a CCNA student is not even taught, and especially not taught in 1999?  

It does reflect one's pedigree.


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*       Describe the commands used to verify and troubleshoot feature
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On 5/21/08, Rik Guyler <rik@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Damn...that about made me blow my milk and cookies all over the monitor!
;-)

For me, that's not a tough question at all - No.  But then again I'm
currently gainfully employed.  ;-)

Rik

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dane
Newman
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 7:43 PM
To: Scott Morris
Cc: keith tokash; <tvarriale@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: Interview question (was :RE: CCIE# 20863)

I don't know about you guys but the hardest interview question I was ask is
will you take ten percent less then your making now

Sent from my iPhone

On May 20, 2008, at 5:13 PM, "Scott Morris" <swm@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Heheheheh...  Stepping past boundaries has always been a specialty of 
> mine!
> (grin)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
> Of keith tokash
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 4:37 PM
> To: tvarriale@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: Interview question (was :RE: CCIE# 20863)
>
> Nah, I don't believe in torturing interviewees.  Just a probe.  Some 
> people can cough up the answer and have no idea what it means, some 
> people can't answer it, some are almost insulted you asked and 
> springboard into solid detail.  It's a nice soft question to gauge 
> whether you need to ask any more questions in that area or should just 
> move on tactfully.  After all, you never know exactly where a boundary 
> is until you step past it.
>
> With a few exceptions, secrecy is deeply incompatible with democracy 
> and with science.
>    --Carl Sagan
>
>> From: tvarriale@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> To: ktokash@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> CC: ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: CCIE# 20863
>> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:58:42 -0500
>>
>>
>> I think the point is that you can cough up that statement at will 
>> during an interview...but when you are reading your first CCNA book, 
>> that BGP statement probably doesn't make a ton of sense.
>>
>> And that goes back to my initial statement...a typical CCNA doesn't 
>> really understand how BGP works.
>>
>> If that's what you consider fun in CCNA interviews...well...I'm not 
>> sure what to say.
>>
>> BTW, there are regex tools out there to meet your requirements in 30
> seconds
>> or less (for your CCIEs).
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
>> Of keith tokash
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 2:38 PM
>> To: Roger; Tony Varriale
>> Cc: 'Cisco certification'
>> Subject: RE: CCIE# 20863
>>
>> Hahaha, intricacies yes.  But I believe they drum, "BGP uses AS-PATH 
>> to avoid loops" into every CCNA student's head.  At least they did 
>> when I got mine
> in
>> 1999, and I hear it's much harder nowadays.  I don't really worry if 
>> they don't know that since we don't hire entry-level people with the 
>> intention
> of
>> having them tune/load-balance our BGP, but it's nice to poke and 
>> probe a candidate's boundaries.
>>
>> With a few exceptions, secrecy is deeply incompatible with democracy 
>> and with science.
>>    --Carl Sagan
>>
>>> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 12:31:15 -0700
>>> From: divineone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: RE: CCIE# 20863
>>> To: tvarriale@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> CC: ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ktokash@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> You don't know keith
>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> Subject: RE: CCIE# 20863
>>>> From: "Tony Varriale" <tvarriale@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Date: Tue, May 20, 2008 12:09 pm
>>>> To: "'keith tokash'" <ktokash@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Cc: "'Cisco certification'" <ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think expecting a typcial CCNA to know the intricacies of a 
>>>> protocol
>> is
>> a
>>>> bit over zealous, no?
>>>>
>>>> Tony
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
>>>> Behalf Of keith tokash
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 1:13 PM
>>>> To: theKonqueror; A.G. Ananth Sarma (GMail)
>>>> Cc: Cisco certification
>>>> Subject: RE: CCIE# 20863
>>>>
>>>> Good move.  When I see CCNA on a resume my mind jumps to interview
>> questions
>>>> like, "what is BGP's loop prevention mechanism?"  When I see CCIE 
>>>> on a resume it jumps to, "what's the regex to filter transit routes 
>>>> from our ISPs,
>> and
>>>> if
>>>> we didn't want to use a regex, how else could we filter?"
>>>>
>>>> If I see CCNA *AND* CCIE, my question will come out something like,
>> "what
>> is
>>>> our ISP's loop transit prevention regex?" and my brain will
> blue-screen.
>>>>
>>>> With a few exceptions, secrecy is deeply incompatible with 
>>>> democracy
> and
>>>> with
>>>> science.
>>>>    --Carl Sagan
>>>>
>>>>> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 23:12:19 +0530
>>>>> From: thekonqueror@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>> To: ananth.sarma@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: Re: CCIE# 20863
>>>>> CC: ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks everyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Although I don't want to get into the certification value
> discussions,
>> I
>>>> too
>>>>> agree with Joseph about loosing charm of RHCE. I got it few years
> back
>>>> when
>>>>> it was still cool. I don't feel like recertifying it...
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyways, I dropped CCNA from my signature as per orders of Mr 
>>>>> Scott
>> Morris
>>>>> :P
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks once again for all your support.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Rahul Nagare
>>>>> RHCE, CCIE#20863 R&S
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> http://thekonqueror.blogspot.com
>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/thekonqueror
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
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