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Re: How to Become a CCIE v2 posted 05/06/2008
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I second Joseph here. I work with some AMAZING security professionals, that just HAPPEN to have their CISSP certification.
I also have met people that have absolutely no practical security (attack mitigation, incident response, forensics) knowledge at all, who maintain their CISSP.

The CISSP in itself is very high level and theoretical. This maps into the core process and compliance issues that many security professionals have to deal with today.
What it is not is an exam based around skills, like GIAC series or CEH.

Colin McNamara

"The difficult we do immediately, the impossible just takes a little longer"

Joseph Brunner wrote:
Perhaps Cisco could consider a system like CISSP

Um, no thanks... I work with several CISSP's. They have almost ZERO practical security knowledge...

Just last Friday I had to teach one of these endorsed "professionals" The pix, subnetting, writing ACL's, etc, why we do nonat's, etc.

What good is a certification if does not give you any training/knowledge
that allows you to do anything in the real world?

The CISSP has become so devalued because it's a life raft for non-technical
people who want to work in IT.

Anyone who has a good working relationship with their boss can be
endorsed... My old boss would have endorsed me robbing a liquor store if I
promised him an ecstasy tab and a night with my girlfriend... does this make
his endorsement valuable?

(Back on dagobah/rtp in July for a REAL security test ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dale
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 1:27 AM
To: ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: How to Become a CCIE v2

Irrespective of how hard or not the CCIE lab is, I agree with one key
point that the original poster made:

Just like every other vendor certification, there is no way for a
prospective employer, or anyone for that matter, to differentiate
between someone who has years and years of practical experience and
blitzed the lab first go, and someone with relatively limited
experience but who brute-forced their way through.

The end result is "CCIE", not "CCIE (passed first go)" or "CCIE
(passed on the 5th attempt)". In my opinion, despite the practical
nature of the lab, it is still possible to be a "paper CCIE".

To use the fruit comparison analogy in a different way: comparing
CCIEs can indeed be like comparing apples and oranges! -- some are
good, some are bad.

Perhaps Cisco could consider a system like CISSP, whereby you have to
be endorsed by someone who is already certified, and/or you have to
meet other pre-requisites, like number of years of relevant work


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