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Re: Multiple IEs posted 01/30/2008
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Certainly agree with that.

A have found lot of folks in security are really lacking in networking fundamentals surprisingly. Unlike yourself I think a lot of people just rapidly moved into it because it was seen as being the cool thing to do. A recall asking a security specialist some years back if vlans were employed to provide security on a particular network. He replied 'oh no our security works at layer 2'

Go figure.

There are a myriad of things to learn concerning network security that go way beyond the stock stuff many security consultants espouse to know something about. DAI is just one of them.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Santi" <ccie@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Paul Dardinski'" <pauld@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 2:51 AM
Subject: RE: Multiple IEs



I would agree with that. Additionally, going for another might help to
round out your CCIE specialty. For instance, busting my butt for the CCIE
R&S would help me to better understand the underlying network, traffic and
flows when I wish to really tear up security. I have been in the security
field for 8 years now and still learning a lot. However, when I worked with
a couple of engineers that had their CCIE R&S, this really forced me to step
up and learn more about the network. In fact, they created IE level problems
for me to solve and that had to be integrated into a security solution. This
forced to learn about the various protocols and technologies much more
deeply.


So, since I really wanted to be more than just someone with a single CCIE in
security, I also wanted to assure myself that I had more than just a CCNP
level of expertise in networks. After working with CCIE R&S engineers, I
quickly learned that there was much more to the network which is paramount
to a real solid security design. So, I am studying for the IE R&S before
obtaining the IE Security.


I hope this is a good plan.

Santi
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul
Dardinski
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 8:51 PM
To: EdmondsSG@xxxxxxx; ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Multiple IEs


I think it is because in the first one we all get kind of "weird" and
pretty much become study addicts:)

PD (#16842)

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
EdmondsSG@xxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 6:20 AM
To: ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Multiple IEs

Why do so many people get their first IE, then immediately go for a
second
(SP/VOICE/SECURITY)?

Is almost like they get the IE in say R/S and think .. thats it ..I know
it
all now - I can move on to something else.

But it takes years to become a true 'EXPERT' in any field - so dont  let
the
certifications grandiose title fool ya!

Build on what you have learnt through exam study - become a true expert
-
and you will be a man my son ..

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