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RE: DocCD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! posted 11/21/2007
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I don't think they ship them with the products anymore, but you can buy
them.  

All the information online is supposed to be the 'latest and greatest'
so you are better off using the online version. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
A.G. Ananth Sarma (GMail)
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 9:15 AM
To: Cisco certification
Subject: DocCD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Guys,

We recently bought many Cisco products in our company including NAC.
LMS, ACS, IPS, WLC to name a few. Every product document says that it
comes with the Document CD. But, I do not see any CD.

Do they mean the DocCD? This may sound silly but, I really would like to
know.

Regards,

Ananth

On Nov 21, 2007 5:37 PM, Andy Cole <Andy.Cole@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> There are things you need to know 'cold'.  IP Routing Multicast QoS 
> Security IS Services Bridging and Switching.  You should at least read

> them, thoroughly.  Main thing to keep in mind when you are reading 
> these is WHY would I use this variation over another? (OSPF stub vs. 
> NSSA,
> etc.)
>
> Anything else you come across, like Web Caching find where it is in 
> the DOC CD get an overview. On the more obscure topics, best to know 
> WHERE in the DOC CD you can find it than know them 'cold'.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
> Of Gregory Gombas
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:34 PM
> To: Simon Grace
> Cc: Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: Difference in Exam
>
>  I feel your pain. Everyone says "hey just read the DOC CD" casually 
> as if its a quick read over breakfast. Has anyone actually tried to 
> print the DOC CD?!?
>
> I've printed all the topice relevant to the R+S and I counted over 
> 6000 pages of text to read. So I'm not sure how realistic it is to 
> read through and retain it all. Its like painting the golden gate 
> bridge - by the time you get to the end the beginning is already
getting rusty.
>
> So can anyone suggest a more efficient way of going through the DOC CD

> or perhaps the most relevant portions?
>
> Thanks,
> Greg
>
> On Nov 20, 2007 5:10 AM, Simon Grace <SimonG@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> >
> >
> > I've left this a few days before I wrote it as I needed to calm
down.
> >
> >
> >
> > Back in September I took my first lab exam. I used the 
> > Internetworking
>
> > expert labs and due to me not being quick enough and not leaving 
> > myself enough time to work on the real tricky questions I just 
> > missed
> out.
> >
> > Okay, no problems with that, I didn't deserve to pass and needed to 
> > up
>
> > my game a bit.
> >
> > Without going into details that by knowing the stuff on the IE labs 
> > and the various areas covered you should be okay in the lab. There 
> > were a couple of new questions I'd not seen but that's to be
expected.
>
> > The lab was of a fair level.
> >
> >
> >
> > Okay, I got back on the study, got my speed up and basically hit it 
> > at
>
> > 150%. I carried on with the IE labs but really nailed them, I also 
> > checked out a lot of the things that came up here and lab'd stuff up

> > that I'd not seen before.
> >
> >
> >
> > Went back last week, knowing that nothing is certain but knowing 
> > that my skill level was much higher than the first time around and I

> > only just missed that.
> >
> >
> >
> > I was blown away, firstly the exam was much, much harder than the 
> > first one. I read through the exam and realised that a good 
> > proportion
>
> > of the questions I was seeing for the first time. Not to mention the

> > way the questions were asked. Once again without going into details 
> > it
>
> > wasn't a case of configure this it was put in such a way to make it 
> > as
>
> > difficult as possible to ask a question. Not just once, twice but 
> > once
>
> > again, many difficult questions. I couldn't help but feel that they 
> > had made the exam so difficult that they were really trying to stop 
> > people from passing. Going by the exam 2 months before and then this

> > one, they was absolutely no comparison, the second was just mind
> blowing.
> >
> >
> >
> > Now, I'm no Einstein, but I did work very hard on this and I know my

> > stuff, but when the score report comes back I really can't help but 
> > feel that something really isn't quite right, I feel like the goal 
> > posts have been completely moved. Plus I know the stuff was working 
> > and I know where I dropped points but the score report doesn't 
> > reflect
> that.
> >
> >
> >
> > I got chatting to a guy after the exam who'd had the same lab. He'd 
> > also sat one a couple of months before and had been studying about 
> > the
>
> > same amount of time and talking to him I get the idea that he too 
> > knows his subject. We both agreed fully that it was just on another 
> > plane and couldn't understand how two exams could be so different in

> > expected level of knowledge.
> >
> >
> >
> > So, I'm writing this not in a lets go on a burn and pillage rampage 
> > but rather has anyone else had similar experiences, do you feel a 
> > bit let down by the fact that there appears to be no standard level 
> > for the exam. I'm trying to speak with our Cisco guys here to see 
> > what can
>
> > be done. Obviously Cisco own it and do with it what they want but I 
> > don't like to be treated unfairly and will try and do whatever is in

> > my power to get things sorted. The price of the exam including 
> > flights
>
> > etc isn't cheap and we deserve a level playing field.
> >
> >
> >
> > Please unicast me, no need to go into details but more on the lines 
> > of
>
> > found the exam to be fair or totally different levels, whatever you 
> > feel relevant.
> >
> >
> >
> > Oh well, I'm gonna take a few weeks off, think about things and then

> > I
>
> > suppose get back into it.
> >
> >
> >
> > I wish you guys who are going to take the exam all the luck and 
> > don't worry, if you get something on the lines of the first one you 
> > are getting a fair crack of the whip.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Simon.
> >
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