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I don't understand why everyone replies to this arrogant chap. JUST IGNORE
HIM. HE WILL GO AWAY from GS.

This is a place for helping each other and not for personal stuff.

Regards,
Shine


-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Joseph Brunner
Sent: Monday, 17 September 2007 11:54 PM
To: 'peter morgan'; smorris@xxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Ajay Prakash'
Cc: ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)

Peter;

A lot of people read this board and the posts. I sent an email last week and
it came up with a client.

I would seriously reconsider your tone and approach to dealing with Scott,
Brian and the senior training partners in general. 

Again Congratulations on passing the CCIE. I'm sure you can use it to earn
the funds necessary to purchase any possible materials necessary for future
studies at fair market value.

Don't be surprised if someone, at some future date that is deciding whether
or not to hire you, promote you, fire you, or retain you sees EVERYTHING
posted here, and cached by GoogleStaffel.

-Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
peter morgan
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 9:01 AM
To: smorris@xxxxxxxxxxxx; Ajay Prakash
Cc: ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)

Hi Scott,
 
Thanks again for the explanation!
 
It seems to be you have two
tongues. You have mentioned something in the GS with your first email &
later
unicasted something else to me. It seems to be you have two tongues.  Anyway
now its cleared.
 
Also, I think odd bird is under your pants; so go & find
it!!! Just kidding.
 
I am just focusing my studies as you are careering
about your family. Lets forget about this mess & help our GS members for
their studies. I need your advices even after this crazy email exchange.
 
So
lets start new relationship.!!!
 
BRdgs,
 
PM



----- Original Message
----
From: Scott Morris <smorris@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: peter morgan
<cciemaha@xxxxxxxxx>; Ajay Prakash <ajay.prakash@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc:
ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 3:25:16 PM
Subject:
RE: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)


What?!!?!?  You're an odd bird Peter...
When you sent that message about letting "down your courage" I replied to
you
personally in order to keep some of the fluff off of GS not to hide
anything.
My response (within an hour of your post accusing me of doing that) was "I
wouldn't ever mean to let down your courage at all.  Just trying to let
others
know that its not just about posting a message that gets someone free
stuff."
So if I've somehow offended you, I apologize, but that wasn't the intent by
any stretch.  *shrug*
 
 
Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
Provider) #4713, JNCIE #153, CISSP, et al.
CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
VP - Technical
Training - IPexpert, Inc.
IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
 
A Cisco Learning
Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
 
smorris@xxxxxxxxxxxx
 
Telephone:
+1.810.326.1444 
Fax: +1.810.454.0130
http://www.ipexpert.com




From: peter
morgan [mailto:cciemaha@xxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 2:31 AM
To: Ajay Prakash; smorris@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re:
Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)


Hi Ajay,
 
I am really sorry about your
mis-understanding. Scott tried to let down my courage by mentioning a
background thing, here in GS. He has not apologized for it in GS. That is
the
reason, I have challenged him. I dont want to give him a chance to let down
my courage. If Scoot like, then he can explain what he has mean.
 
Also I
have not requested any free stuff for me; I am just trying to give it to
others in GS by as by side of the challenge.
 
Anyway Scott has not accepted
it.
 
BRdgs,
 
PM



----- Original Message ----
From: Ajay Prakash
<ajay.prakash@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: peter morgan <cciemaha@xxxxxxxxx>;
smorris@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, September 17,
2007 6:13:44 AM
Subject: RE: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)


Peter, if you
have something against Scott or if you wish to challenge him
or whatever,
please take it offline. Groupstudy is not for challenging
anyone and neither
do we want any free stuff for anyone. You never get the
value out of stuff
that you get for free. What you did to Brian once (by
posting in GS), you are
doing the same to Scott now.. It looks like you want
free Voice material from
Scott in return as you got free R&S material from
Brian.

I and all members of
groupstudy respect Scott, Brians and Narbick for their
valuable contribution
here on groupstudy. I request you to keep all personal
agenda away from here
please.

Ajay

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
peter morgan
Sent: Monday,
September 17, 2007 4:25 AM
To: smorris@xxxxxxxxxxxx; Joseph Brunner; darth
router
Cc: ccie784; ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Tough Achievement
(CCIE # 18807)

Hi Scott,

I still havent booked a lab dateI was waiting for
your response
to find a LAB date.

But dont tell me that you have not taken
the challenge
because you are busy. I think, I am busy as you or Wayne. May be
busier than
you & him. Because we all have same limited time per day or week.
So it is
just a functional difference.


Also, based on my understanding you
are
working as a CCIE instructor, Content developer & Consultant. So you
always
have educational touch & playing with Cisco equipments. In addition to
that
keep in mind that you are Quadruple CCIE. Why dont you like to be a Penta
CCIE? 

One more important thing to highlight here; it may be valuable for
others. With our Cisco voice implementations we are implementing best
practices. But CCIE exam is not an implementation/configuration exam of best
practices. It may or may not include best practices. Therefore even if you
have worked in the field for 10 years then you may not have enough
confidence
to pass the LAB. If we need to pass the LAB without much hassle we have to
directly target to the exam.

Scott, I know you are talented gentlemen; so
please dont hide behind your boss (Wayne)! Come out & take my challenge .
it
may be good for your future!

I am really sorry that, if I am troubling you
with this challenge; but try your best to accept it.

Rdgs,

PM


-----
Original Message ----
From: Scott Morris <smorris@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: peter
morgan <cciemaha@xxxxxxxxx>; Joseph Brunner <joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; darth
router <darklordrouter@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: ccie784 <ccie784@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 1:02:21 AM
Subject:
RE: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)


hehehhe...  You make it sound so quaint
and black & white.  :)

Now, multi-millionaire or not, I'm sure you (or
anyone) could agree that one person who works with voice stuff every single
day may very well have an advantage over someone who doesn't, no matter  how
smart the other person is....  But that's ok.

I'm sure there are others out
there who may be interested in taking your challenge, perhaps those
underprepared but with more free time on their hands, or simply those who
may
have more recent hands-on/in-depth experience in order to compete with a
"full-time Cisco Voice engineer".

There are ways to get products without
investing money, but it typically involves some value-add proposition for
both
sides.  Other than bragging rights, and just personal challenge, I have no
need to get my Voice CCIE (it's pissed me off enough ruining my average!)
but
I'm sure you can find others up to your challenge with a more vested
interest,
or business necessity to get their CCIE.

Generally, relationships start at
the proper point in any business and progress from there.  I'm thinking that
targeting the CEO of any company, unless that person is more directly
involved
in the CCIE stuff, would not be the best place to start unless there was
some
win-win that could be had.  So Darth, if your (or anyone else's) target is
finding a way to work for products then we can always work on coming up with
something of value.

So Peter, when's your lab date?


Scott Morris, CCIE4
(R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, JNCIE #153, CISSP, et al.
CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
IPexpert Sr.
Technical Instructor

A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
smorris@xxxxxxxxxxxx

Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 
Fax: +1.810.454.0130
http://www.ipexpert.com





From: peter morgan [mailto:cciemaha@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 4:24 PM
To: Joseph Brunner;
smorris@xxxxxxxxxxxx; darth router
Cc: ccie784; ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)


Hi Guys,

This is to inform
you that; Scott is not in a position to accept my challenge since his boss
(Wayne Lawson  President-IPExpert Inc. ) contacted me & updated me that, he
has not authorized to use his products (IPExpert) for this challenge. Also
he
confirmed that, Scott is not a Multi-Millionaire. I read little bit about
Wayne & his activities. I found following URL from google.
http://www.ipexpert.com/?event=staff&staffid=8769

Then I was thinking to
challenge him rather than challenging Scott since he has the CCIE & he has
the
power to give us the free access. But he is a big shot & may be busy
gentlemen
with his business. 

So guys, you will not be able to get free access for
IPExpert products. If this goes fine then I would have win it; because I am
a
full-time Cisco Voice engineer. 

Darth, it may be better if you write to
Wayne rather than troubling Scott. Because Wayne may be the correct
gentlemen,
who has the power to give a free copy of their SP WB.

Finally, I have to
forget about the challenge & start my studies alone. I will update you time
to
time with my Voice studies. But I guess there is a different GS group for
Voice. Lets check it outI hope, I can get my Voice baby in less than four
(4)
attempts....

Regards,

PM



----- Original Message ----
From: Joseph
Brunner
<joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: peter morgan <cciemaha@xxxxxxxxx>;
smorris@xxxxxxxxxxxx; darth router <darklordrouter@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: ccie784
<ccie784@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, September 15,
2007 3:51:38 AM
Subject: RE: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)


Whoa!

Scott
probably actually a multi-millionaire, given the lab that requires a
permit
from his local power plant to drain that much power... But he is not
the
richest CCIE. That is Tom Cruise, the actor, and number 3 ranking member
of
Scientology. He is worth approx $800M USD and he is a CCIE, or so I
heard...
for real... I heard he chose it as one of his challenges to reach
OT VII.
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
peter morgan
Sent: Friday,
September 14, 2007 8:07 PM
To: smorris@xxxxxxxxxxxx; darth router
Cc: ccie784;
ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)

Hi
Scott,

I know you are a multi millionaire & one of Quadruple CCIEs. And I
am
a small fish who has got the number in my fourth attempt. Here is my
challenge;
You dont have voice in your bunch of sticks. I am starting voice
from today onwards.
If I get my Voice before you get it then you have to give
free access to all of your products (IPExpert), to ten (10) of our GS
members.
If you get the Voice before I get it then I will buy your Voice product
(Considering I am a poor guy & you are a multimillionaire).

Do you accept my
challenge? 

If you accept it then both us will get benefits by completing
Voice & hopefully ten (10) of our GS members..

Have a nice week end,

PM
----- Original Message ----
From: Scott Morris <smorris@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To:
peter morgan <cciemaha@xxxxxxxxx>; darth router <darklordrouter@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc:
ccie784 <ccie784@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday,
September 14, 2007 4:01:14 PM
Subject: RE: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)
Isn't there a special "because you hang out with us" discount?  :)  There
are
monthly specials and different discounts offered all the time, but as a
general rule the sales folks set those rules.  Remember, it can never hurt
to
ask for something like that.  The worst they can do is laugh at you!  ;)

On a
side note, congratulations Peter!


Scott Morris, CCIE4
(R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, JNCIE
#153, CISSP, et al.
CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
IPexpert Sr.
Technical Instructor

A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
smorris@xxxxxxxxxxxx

Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 
Fax: +1.810.454.0130
http://www.ipexpert.com


-----Original Message-----
From:
nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
peter morgan
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:09 AM
To: darth router
Cc: ccie784;
ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)

No Man!
It is a joke...

Brian, Scott think about to give free access or better
discounts to all of
GS members (including DR & me)  May be your gentlemen will
have close IE &
IPexpert becuase most of CCIE candidates are GS members.

I
think Brain already given it to me. So I may be out of selection...I am
waiting till IE voice products release....

PM


-----
Original Message ----
From: darth router <darklordrouter@xxxxxxxxx>
To: peter
morgan
<cciemaha@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: ccie784 <ccie784@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 2:57:48 PM
Subject:
Re: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)

LOL!


On 9/14/07, peter morgan
<cciemaha@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thanks Darth!

You r a real naughty boy!

You r
always looking at the back
side of girls!

Brian, Scott don"t give him
anything free; because he is a
naughty boy (Not like me)!

Peter

-----
Original Message ----
From: darth
router <darklordrouter@xxxxxxxxx>
To:
ccie784 <ccie784@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >
Cc:
peter morgan <cciemaha@xxxxxxxxx>;
ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday,
September 14, 2007 2:16:39 PM
Subject:
Re: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)
Grats man on the CCIE man!

So all we
gotta do for free stuff is complain!
Brian, I could use some free stuff! I
will gladly complain!. Scott Morris,
could you please get on this bandwagon as
well? I would like your service
provider workbook! :)

DR


On 9/14/07,
ccie784 <ccie784@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Congratulation !! Nice post. IE is
great vendor, no doubt!!

On
9/14/07, peter morgan <cciemaha@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I was able
to catch my fish in 10th September 2007. Got my
green
> number (18807) in my
4th attempt. I have never given up & keep on
doing
> the
> exam. Here is my
small story. It is like a fairy tail.
>
> I
have passed my
> first R&S Written
in May 2004. Then it has expired after 18
months without 
> taking an attempt.
Then I got a free Cisco partner voucher
from my office
> &
> used it to get my
written back in Feb 2006. I was keeping
on study from
> there
> onwards & I
was able to take few months of continuous
leave from my office
> for
> the
exam. But I was not in confidence to sit for
the exam in 2006. I came
> to
>
another country for a new job. I got lots of
free time after I changed my 
>
job
> & then started to study in a schedule.
>
> Finally I have decided to
take & LAB
> attempt in April 2007. It was a
disaster for me. Also I was not
able reach
> the
> LAB location in the
correct
time because the CAB driver was
not able to
> find
> the place & he
lost the
way. I lost around 50mins in my first attempt. I
> have
> taken
another
attempt in May 2007 thinking that I failed because of short
> of
>
time.
>
>
For my 2nd attempt I have booked a
hotel very close (Walking
>
Distance) to
the LAB location. I went the LAB before 30mins earlier. But
> it
> was another
disaster. Then I realized that I
am lack of knowledge. Then I
>
have
> stared
to re-read many of books &
bought one of famous vendors work
book.
>
Previously I have been using their
old work books which has download
from
> a
> free site. Then after few months
I went back to the LAB.
>
> My 3rd
attempt
> scheduled in Aug 2007. I booked
same hotel & went early to the
place. I 
>
was
> able to understand many of
questions & was able to answer
properly. But
I
> sucked in few occasions
because of my mistakes & taken time
to recover
>
from
> them. After the LAB I
got the same result (Failed).
>
>
Then I came
back &
> written down all of my
mistakes. I was able to identify
my main
weakness
> as
> the lack of hands on
practice & not the knowledge. So
I have
decided to 
> buy
> rack sessions from
IE & I have booked racks in
every day &
week ends
> double or
> triple rack
sessions. I have studied with
less number
of sleeping hours
> (4-5
> hours per
day). Also I got another
schedule for the
LAB on 10th September
> 2007.  So I
have studied very hardly
without even
taking proper sleep. I
> think
> your
guys can remember one of my
previous
posts of  IE rack support issue 
> . I
>
was not able to find the
place to get
support at that time from IE. But
>
Brian
> & his great IE staff
guided me &
cleared my issue. Then next day morning I
> have realized that I
have
addressed the case not nicely &
apologize from
> Brian. Because I was in
different mind set when I was doing
my practice
> labs.
> Then Brian sent me &
email with telling that he has
decided to stop
> posting to
> GS because of
the
> threats of people like me.
I got really upset because I knew that there
> are
> many candidates in GS
like me who are expecting support from people
like
> Brian, Scott & other
senior CCIEs. So I begged him & apologize from him
> with
> many emails.
Finally he accepted my apology. By the time Brian asked
me to
> provide
details of the products which I have bought from IE.
Because
he 
> was
>
thinking to provide more support via his sales team.
Actually I
haven t
>
bought
> any of products from IE & I was using one of my
friend s
old IE
materials.
> But
> anyway I was thinking to buy their COD
within few
days
because many people
> recommended it. Then I have sent few
package
selections
which I am
> expecting
> to buy from IE, expecting a good
discount.
But in a
nice morning I checked
> my
> mail box & found an email
from Brian.
He has
given access to IE WB VOL I,
> VOL
> II, VOL III, and
Advanced
Technology COD
& also Online Boot Camp. Brian
> has
> gone ahead &
given me
the access to
above
> materials free of charge. Also he has doubled
my rack
sessions by his 
> sales
> team. Also he asked me that, if I want more
products then to update
him. I
> was
> not able to believe this & get upset
about what I have done by
sending
> email
> to GS complaining their rack
support.  I told Brian that I
will do
> anything to
> recover the damage
which
I was trying to do by posting
it un-necessarily
> to GS
> (They have
great/quick support option in IE member
area named as ticketing
> system. I
was not aware about the option
previously. They provide support
> within few
minutes when you get an error).
But Brian just wanted to pass
> the
> exam
with his gift. He never expected
anything from me. I was really upset
> about
what was happened & thinking
about Brian s good heart. So, Brian
> requested
only my pass of exam. I have
decided to pass my exam anyhow in
> 10th
>
September 2007. I worked very
hardly & never slept some days. I used Brian
> s
> gift-rack sessions, COD
materials, etc .I
> have scheduled many racks
(Actually I have scheduled one
in the LAB day
> morning as well). So I was
doing my rack practice & study
without
> considering
> about any other thing.
I haven t called to my friends,
family members &
> forgot
> many my personal
life activities. But I went to
office in every week day
> as
> usual. When I
got a free time then I started
to listen to IE COD. Finally
> I
> got sick
because of the lack of sleep. I
got a dynamic toothache (Changing
> from one
place to another place day by
day) & a painful skin rash. I haven
> t
> gone
to meet a doctor (I have free
health insurance from company). I used
> detol
for the tooth ache & decided
to take medicine after the exam. I have 
> kept
on study forgetting about the
pain.
>
> The day was 9th September 2007, I
>
have traveled to Dubai. Stay in
the same hotel (Tulip Inn- Knowledge
>
Village).
> I have entered the hotel
11.00PM in the night. Slept till 5.00AM
in the
> next
> day (Lab Day) morning.
After a wash I I have practiced 30
minutes with my
> scheduled IE rack. Then I
walked to the Cisco Building; Went
to 3rd floor 
> as
> usual. I was the first
one came to the place. So three of
other candidates
> were there later. One of
Indian girl, also among the
candidates. Procter
> (Yosuf) called us to come in
to the LAB 5 minutes
earlier. He explained
> the
> next schedule. One
candidate came in to the  LAB
30 mins later because his
> driver taken him a
ride. I have started the LAB as
I planned earlier. Read 
> all
> the LAB book &
drawn few diagrams. It has
taken 30 mins for me. Suddenly I
> got
> something
like de-hydration in the
LAB & I drunken water in many times.
> Also
> went
toilet many times. (May be
side effects of my previous hard study).
> Procter
called for the lunch; I was
just in my schedule. So we had good
> lunch
>
with procter s advice. Yosuf
(Dubai Procter) is really nice gentlemen. 
>
Because
> four of my attempts I
have seen him handling candidates nicely.
>
>
So, after
> the lunch I have
scored many points with fast typing. As I planned final
> hour
> used for the
testing. I used Brian s score sheet method. Based on Brian s
> score sheet my
score was 96. May be 100 because I have not revised my
> answers
> when I come
back. I knew that I have 16 marks buffer. 
>
> After the exam I went
> to
Dubai City centre & bought few items. I was stuck there in the long
> taxi
>
queue. Finally I was able catch my flight & came back. I have logged into 
>
the
> site & found that my number & pass. I
was not able sleep & next day went
> to
> office as usual. I sent my first
email to Brian but he has not replied
> yet.
> May be he has not received my
email or he has blocked me because of
so
> many
> emails sent by me.
>
> So
guys my advice is work hard & gets it
with your
> effort. Don t wait till your
number comes to you. Just work hard &
get it. 
> I
> have taken four attempts &
I got four different LABS. So it has
not
> repeated
> to me. So don t expect
it. Some people saying that it has
happened to
> them;
> but it may be very
rare case. One person asked same
question from Procter
> & he
> told that
there are many LABs. But sometimes
they may repeat.
>
> I can only
>
recommend IE materials & Racks because I
have passed with them & Brian s 
>
good
> hart. I have no words to thank Brian
& IE. Thanks a million tims  ..to
> Brian &
> IE.
>
> Believe me Brian is a
really good hatred man!!!!!!!!!! He
is a really
> sensitive person. Brian my
hat s off to you for nice preparing
material &
> support!
>
> Note: Guys, don
t post any un-necessary emails to GS
or Brian by
> following me to get free IE
products. I still feel bad about
what I have
> done
> even after  I got my
number. Actually I was in another
mentality &
> different
> world when I am
posting that complain to GS. ( I can
say that was not me
> that
> was my dark
side of the mind). Sorry guys!
>
>
Finally I must thank to GS;
> without GS I
will never get anything for this
year.
>
> Thanks to all the GS
> members for
the being here. I learnt a lot
from your discussions.
>
> Bye for
> now,
>
>
PM
> CCIE # 18807
>
>
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