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RE: CCIE vs MCA posted 09/06/2007
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I am involved with the CCDE stuff...  At this point, there are no other
updates to give other than what's already out there!

The written part of the CCDE is wrapping up beta at the end of September and
go through all the exciting processing from there...   I'm sure other
details will be worked out and released, but otherwise it's a "one step at a
time" development!

They are treating things at this point as being early stage process and on
an "invite-only" idea.  But I think that was disclosed by them already.  :)

 
Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, JNCIE
#153, CISSP, et al.
CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Hoogen
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:06 AM
To: Scott Morris
Cc: Joseph Brunner; ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: CCIE vs MCA

Just wanting to get to know more about the CCDE and the Architect program
Cisco is conducting for beta testing? I am sure Scott you must be testing
their new exam, could you give us any update on the same? Hopefully you
aren't breaking any rules here..

Cheers
Hoogen

On 9/6/07, Scott Morris <smorris@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> I think that MS has simply realized that the MCSE only equates to a 
> piece of paper that doesn't really help anyone determine which 
> candidate sucks worse than the other one.  The MCA is fairly rigorous, 
> and more power to them.  I only know of a couple people who have 
> passed this cert and they've been around for eons, so it didn't 
> surprise me at all.
>
> What's it mean to a CCIE?  Nothing.  Can we up the ante for the CCIE 
> program.  Sure, if they felt like it.  But no matter what you do, it 
> simply boils down to whether you can really "do" it or not.  Talking 
> about it, or selecting the right answer (or 
> kinda-sorta-the-best-rightish answer) from a multiple choice exam 
> doesn't exactly equate to an experienced individual.
>
> As people have noted before, neither does a CCIE lab.  There are many 
> real world issues to properly run a network that a CCIE candidate 
> simply doesn't have to deal with.  Probably a good thing anyway, it's 
> a long enough eight hours!  :)
>
> But that leaves room for improvement and/or enhancement.  Stick around 
> long enough and things will change.
>
> But I still wouldn't fear an MCA.  I'd have 'em around in a heartbeat 
> to design and implement a huge active directory and/or exchange 
> network.  But at the same time if they decided they wanted to try 
> their hat at large scale OSPF design or voice implementations I'd have 
> to hurt them.
>
> I don't think you're going to find all that many people with CCIE + 
> MCA just because there isn't enough time in a work week to delve into 
> that many areas of expertise!  I suppose it's possible, but there's 
> plenty of space for both to exist without worrying about which one is 
> cooler than the other!
>
> If everyone worried about themselves and enhancing their own personal 
> level of experience, we wouldn't have to worry about anything!  :)
>
>
> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, 
> JNCIE #153, CISSP, et al.
> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
> VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
> IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
>
> A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
>
> smorris@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> http://www.ipexpert.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
> Of Joseph Brunner
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 4:29 PM
> To: ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: CCIE vs MCA
>
> Sure you could call them apples and oranges, (or even cauliflowers and 
> cantaloupes), but if you think failing the CCIE lab a few times is harsh.
>
>
>
> Check out Microsoft's MCA requirements.
>
>
>
> MCA : infrastructure
>
>
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/architect/archprocess/default.ms
> px
>
>
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>
> MCA : messaging architect
>
>
>
> Candidates for the program must meet rigorous prerequisites. This 
> ensures that individuals who have been accepted already possess many 
> of the unique skills that are necessary to be effective. Years of 
> experience working with Exchange are required, in addition to passing 
> a lab-based entrance exam.
> During the rigorous training (four weeks, six days a week, 12 hours a 
> day), several other tests are administered.
>
>
>
>
>
> If two of these tests are not passed, candidates are prohibited from 
> taking the final qualification exam-they will not become Certified 
> Messaging Architects.
>
>
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/architect/messaging/default.mspx
>
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>
>
>
> I first thought this was an april fool's type joke. but it's real.
> Microsoft
> is making up for years of being a joke with their MCSE who can't set 
> up a dhcp scope, etc.
>
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