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RE: Vendor Bashing - Call a Truce (Good Tast and Good Judgement) posted 02/21/2007
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Someone has to provide color commentary! 

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel_Steyn@xxxxxxxx [mailto:Daniel_Steyn@xxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 2:54 PM
To: darbyweaver@xxxxxxxxx; bdennis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; swm@xxxxxxxxxx;
jslauer@xxxxxxxxxxx; ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Vendor Bashing - Call a Truce (Good Tast and Good Judgement)

And Darby "The apparent spokesperson and groupstudy police chief for all
users now and in the future" Weaver can be the commentator.


-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Darby Weaver
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 1:32 PM
To: Brian Dennis; Scott Morris; 'joshua lauer'; ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Vendor Bashing - Call a Truce (Good Tast and Good
Judgement)

I think they used to call him: "Iron Brad" or "Ironman Brad" or something
like that.


--- Brian Dennis <bdennis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> So like the UFC (Ultimate Fighting Championship) mixed martial arts 
> fights?
> I'll be Brian "The Ice Man" Dennis and you can be Scott "The 
> Undertaker"
> Morris.  Brian McGahan can be Brian "The Other Brian" McGahan ;-) 
> Bruce Caslow could be Bruce "Please Leave Me Out of This"
> Caslow.  But what would
> be a good name for Brad Ellis?
> 
> --
> 
> Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP) 
> bdennis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>  
> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
> 
> 
> 
> On 2/21/07 10:20 AM, "Scott Morris" <swm@xxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> 
> > Only if we can sell tickets and make some good
> money on it!  :)
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> > joshua lauer
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 1:14 PM
> > To: Darby Weaver; ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: Vendor Bashing - Call a Truce (Good
> Tast and Good Judgement)
> > 
> > I think we ought to have a steel cage match with
> all the vendors involved,
> > throw some beer into the mix and we'd be all set.
> > 
> > 
> > josh
> > 
> > 
> > Joshua Lauer
> > CCIE#16024
> > 
> > CCNP,CCDP,CCSP,CCIP,RHCE
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
> <darbyweaver@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:50 PM
> > Subject: Vendor Bashing - Call a Truce (Good Tast
> and Good Judgement)
> > 
> > 
> >> All,
> >> 
> >> Especially Vendors,
> >> 
> >> The vendor bashing, slights, sneers, and insults
> has
> >> really got to STOP.
> >> 
> >> In truth, it never should have started.
> >> 
> >> So please for the sake of everyone on Groupstudy
> stop
> >> bashing one another, taking pots shots of typos, quotes, and 
> >> unfortunate events that cause a loss
> of
> >> service to a vendor's service as some recent
> examples.
> >> 
> >> In short, it serves no one any good.  And if
> anything,
> >> it may make us, the customers, think less of
> those who
> >> participate in this childishness.  My compliments
> to
> >> those vendors who have wisely chosen to stay
> above the
> >> melee going on here: past, present, and future.
> >> 
> >> Flame me if you like, but you know who you are,
> and
> >> unfortunately, so do we as the users on
> Groupstudy.
> >> 
> >> What we expect/don't expect to see from vendors:
> >> 
> >> 1. We like the idea that they offer time to help
> us
> >> understand problems and issues that we are having while studying.
> >> 
> >> 2. We don't like vendors who use Groupstudy as
> their
> >> own support forum - especially if the truth is
> that
> >> their own support forums are neglected (Some
> vendors
> >> are very glib on Groupstudy, but how active are
> they
> >> on thier on forums???).  By the way - if someone
> does
> >> not support a function of the product you buy -
> are
> >> you due a partial or full refund?
> >> 
> >> 3. We like to know what other members (not other
> >> vendors) think of their own experiences at
> various
> >> vendors.  The vendors themselves may be biased
> and so
> >> it does not serve the question for a vendor or an employee of that 
> >> vendor to comment on these types
> of
> >> questions.
> >> 
> >> 4. We like to be able to commune with vendors and instructors (but 
> >> one-to-one should be conducted one-to-one and not necessarily 
> >> broadcasted to everyone).
> >> 
> >> 5. We do not expect to see vendors posting snide remarks, offensive

> >> gestures, and other things generally unpleasant, especially when it

> >> involves
> the
> >> competition - some people here seem to do so with
> some
> >> relish.  TAKE THIS OFFLINE - If you guys have the
> time
> >> and energy to send these childish e-mails then
> please
> >> do so one-to-one, or one-to-few, but leave one-to-everyone of 
> >> Groupstudy out of it.
> >> 
> >> 6. Taking advantage of a Groupstudy Member's
> problem
> >> to mock another vendor is a N0-NO.   Remember the
> >> Golden Rule here.
> >> 
> >> 7. Generally unprofessional behaviour by "the
> icons of
> >> the industry" in a public forum is generally not consistent with 
> >> good taste.  Please exercise your
> good
> >> taste and use your good judgement accordingly.
> >> 
> >> 8. Oh yes, we love insight, tips, tricks, etc.
> that
> >> might make us better engineers and help us pass
> our
> >> CCIE Lab exam as a result.
> >> 
> >> Now back to studies and lunch at the moment...
> >> 
> >> 
> >> So...  I'm sorry it needed to be said, but things
> are
> >> getting quite loud.
> >> 
> >>
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