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Re: Vendor Bashing - Call a Truce (Good Tast and Good Judgement) posted 02/21/2007
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Superfly :)





Joshua Lauer
CCIE#16024

CCNP,CCDP,CCSP,CCIP,RHCE
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Dennis" <bdennis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Scott Morris" <swm@xxxxxxxxxx>; "'joshua lauer'" <jslauer@xxxxxxxxxxx>;
"'Darby Weaver'" <darbyweaver@xxxxxxxxx>; <ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: Vendor Bashing - Call a Truce (Good Tast and Good Judgement)


> So like the UFC (Ultimate Fighting Championship) mixed martial arts
fights?
> I'll be Brian "The Ice Man" Dennis and you can be Scott "The Undertaker"
> Morris.  Brian McGahan can be Brian "The Other Brian" McGahan ;-)  Bruce
> Caslow could be Bruce "Please Leave Me Out of This" Caslow.  But what
would
> be a good name for Brad Ellis?
>
> -- 
>
> Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> bdennis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
>
>
>
> On 2/21/07 10:20 AM, "Scott Morris" <swm@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Only if we can sell tickets and make some good money on it!  :)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> > joshua lauer
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 1:14 PM
> > To: Darby Weaver; ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: Vendor Bashing - Call a Truce (Good Tast and Good
Judgement)
> >
> > I think we ought to have a steel cage match with all the vendors
involved,
> > throw some beer into the mix and we'd be all set.
> >
> >
> > josh
> >
> >
> > Joshua Lauer
> > CCIE#16024
> >
> > CCNP,CCDP,CCSP,CCIP,RHCE
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <darbyweaver@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:50 PM
> > Subject: Vendor Bashing - Call a Truce (Good Tast and Good Judgement)
> >
> >
> >> All,
> >>
> >> Especially Vendors,
> >>
> >> The vendor bashing, slights, sneers, and insults has
> >> really got to STOP.
> >>
> >> In truth, it never should have started.
> >>
> >> So please for the sake of everyone on Groupstudy stop
> >> bashing one another, taking pots shots of typos,
> >> quotes, and unfortunate events that cause a loss of
> >> service to a vendor's service as some recent examples.
> >>
> >> In short, it serves no one any good.  And if anything,
> >> it may make us, the customers, think less of those who
> >> participate in this childishness.  My compliments to
> >> those vendors who have wisely chosen to stay above the
> >> melee going on here: past, present, and future.
> >>
> >> Flame me if you like, but you know who you are, and
> >> unfortunately, so do we as the users on Groupstudy.
> >>
> >> What we expect/don't expect to see from vendors:
> >>
> >> 1. We like the idea that they offer time to help us
> >> understand problems and issues that we are having
> >> while studying.
> >>
> >> 2. We don't like vendors who use Groupstudy as their
> >> own support forum - especially if the truth is that
> >> their own support forums are neglected (Some vendors
> >> are very glib on Groupstudy, but how active are they
> >> on thier on forums???).  By the way - if someone does
> >> not support a function of the product you buy - are
> >> you due a partial or full refund?
> >>
> >> 3. We like to know what other members (not other
> >> vendors) think of their own experiences at various
> >> vendors.  The vendors themselves may be biased and so
> >> it does not serve the question for a vendor or an
> >> employee of that vendor to comment on these types of
> >> questions.
> >>
> >> 4. We like to be able to commune with vendors and
> >> instructors (but one-to-one should be conducted
> >> one-to-one and not necessarily broadcasted to
> >> everyone).
> >>
> >> 5. We do not expect to see vendors posting snide
> >> remarks, offensive gestures, and other things
> >> generally unpleasant, especially when it involves the
> >> competition - some people here seem to do so with some
> >> relish.  TAKE THIS OFFLINE - If you guys have the time
> >> and energy to send these childish e-mails then please
> >> do so one-to-one, or one-to-few, but leave
> >> one-to-everyone of Groupstudy out of it.
> >>
> >> 6. Taking advantage of a Groupstudy Member's problem
> >> to mock another vendor is a N0-NO.   Remember the
> >> Golden Rule here.
> >>
> >> 7. Generally unprofessional behaviour by "the icons of
> >> the industry" in a public forum is generally not
> >> consistent with good taste.  Please exercise your good
> >> taste and use your good judgement accordingly.
> >>
> >> 8. Oh yes, we love insight, tips, tricks, etc. that
> >> might make us better engineers and help us pass our
> >> CCIE Lab exam as a result.
> >>
> >> Now back to studies and lunch at the moment...
> >>
> >>
> >> So...  I'm sorry it needed to be said, but things are
> >> getting quite loud.
> >>
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