To err is human, Jerry think about all the changes that is made to the lab,
and us poor guys have to go through and learn them, test them and write a
work book to meet a set dead line. I have not seen IPexpert's work book, but
hey this things can easily happen. If they are willing to fix the problem
and answer your questions in a timely manner, i don't see a problem.
I know firms that sold bunch of work books with no support, believe it or
not they are not around any more, or they have a new identity. On the other
hand i know firms that sold Security work books with no answers, and they
are back in the market selling new version of Security work books.
Jerry, a lot of work goes into these work books, so relax and don't get
upset. At least these firms are reachable.
On 2/2/07, Jerry Szczypien <Jerry.Szczypien@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> I agree with Raul. You guys at IPEXPERT can't even correct your R&S lab
> scenarios and add addendum to your workbooks. I am IPEXPERT customer but I
> am not happy.
>
> Jerry Szczypien
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Razl Angel Velazquez Rodriguez
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 1:41 PM
> To: swm@xxxxxxxxxx; Marvin Greenlee; Lay, Rob; security@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: CCIE Security Lab Workbook Advice
>
> You are right Scott.
> That's why at the end of my mail I said:
>
> "But hey, that's just my opinion. Im sure there is market for every
> vendor, and Im sure that some persons in this list preffer the IPexpert
> products."
>
> As you said, there is people who will be insulted if you say that you need
> to put "ip ospf priority 0" on the spokes, but there are candidates who are
> starting to study and in the CCNA and CCNP books they just said that the DR
> will be the one who has the highest priority and if equal the one who has
> the highest loopback.... Until you work with that (and I never seen on
> production a SP who has Frame Relay using the main interface or a multipoint
> interface) is when you realize that you need to put that.
> My point is, again, IPExpert and InternetworkExpert has different
> workbooks. Each one uses a different approach. And I like the
> InternetworkExpert better. Again, Im sure there are persons, like Marvin
> Greenlee, who preffer IPExpert better.
>
> And Scott, I know that I don't have to say this, but I will, this is not
> personal (or against IPExpert), actually I admire any guy who is a Quad-CCIE
> and that it's on lists like this one to help people out.
>
> Cheers!
>
> ------------------------------------
> CCIE #16048
> tel: 81 83894527
> fax: 81 83890406
> ------------------------------------
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Morris [mailto:swm@xxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Jueves, 01 de Febrero de 2007 02:10 p.m.
> To: 'Marvin Greenlee'; Razl Angel Velazquez Rodriguez; 'Lay, Rob';
> security@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: CCIE Security Lab Workbook Advice
>
> Just as a side note regarding the "this should be self-explanatory"
> items.... Different people have different views on how to learn
> information, and there should always be some semblance of challenge along
> the way.
>
> Many things honestly are self-explanatory, and if (at the CCIE level) you
> need to see how each VLAN is added into a switch, then there are
> technolgy-focussed labs (1-18) for that. When designing the Routing and
> Switching Proctor Guide, we did go through some internal debate about the
> wording, but
> felt it was better to not insult the intelligence of the candidates by
> spelling out every single detail. If this was taken too far (if something
> isn't obvious), then certainly feel free to e-mail me and we'll talk about
> fixing a problem if one exists. Otherwise, wasting trees and hurting
> everyone's back for creating significantly larger books didn't seem to
> help.
>
> On the other hand, labs 37 through 40 took the approach of nothing being
> obvious. This was to depart from that particular format as well as give
> candidates an insight into the lab creator's minds when going through these
> labs. Even more importantly, each of those four labs was created and
> performed by four different people so you would also gain exposure to
> different people's views, questions, answers and thinking. (In case you
> care, Lab 40 is how you may have some insight into my own personal warped
> sense of humor)
>
> All of this is a journey towards understanding why something works, not
> just a quick and easy way to understand one person's lab and hope that
> matches what you see on the real lab too! Not everyone benefits from the
> same learning styles, but that doesn't make it wrong.
>
> In any event, if you are/were disappointed with anything in particular,
> feel free to let me know so I can understand your thinking and why it may be
> different than mine (or whichever developer's). But don't assume one is
> right or wrong or good or bad. :)
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, JNCIE
> #153, CISSP, et al.
> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
> IPexpert VP - Curriculum Development
> IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> smorris@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> http://www.ipexpert.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Marvin Greenlee
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:25 PM
> To: Razl Angel Velazquez Rodriguez; Lay, Rob; security@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: CCIE Security Lab Workbook Advice
>
> The current versions of the IPExpert SP / Security proctor guides do not
> have questions answered as "this should be self-explanatory".
>
> Internetwork Expert shows their updated Security version as "Coming Spring
> 2007" and do not list a "class on demand" for security on their website, so
> it's interesting that you are recommending products that don't exist yet.
>
> As far as the IPExpert updated security WB, I believe that it is either
> already shipping, or shipping in the next few days, depending on when orders
> were placed.
> You would have to check with the sales team to know for sure.
>
> Marvin Greenlee, CCIE #12237 (R&S/Security/Service
> Provider)
> IPexpert Senior Technical Instructor
> marvin@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> http://www.ipexpert.com
> Toll Free (U.S.): +1.866.225.8064
> International: +1.810.326.1444
>
>
> --- Razl Angel Velazquez Rodriguez
> <RVELAZQR@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > In my opinion, by far, the best is
> > InternetworkExpert.
> > This opinion is based on the R&S, I bought both R&S workbook, and its
> > very disapointing the "Proctor Guide" of Ipexpert, because many
> > questions are answered as "This should be self explanatory" and that's
> > all.
> > Besides the cost of InternetworkExpert is 379 USD and the IPExpert is
> > 499 for the workbook and 499 for the proctor guide, a total of 998
> > USD.
> >
> > I know that if you want to pass the CCIE you must know, but in my
> > opinion if you buy a material to study its because you don't know just
> > yet. Consider the Class On Demand of InternetworkExpert too, belive
> > me, its worth the money.
> >
> > But hey, that's just my opinion. Im sure there is market for every
> > vendor, and Im sure that some persons in this list preffer the
> > IPexpert products.
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> > Raul Angel Velazquez Rodriguez
> > CCIE #16048
> > tel: 81 83894527
> > fax: 81 83890406
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lay, Rob
> > Sent: Jueves, 01 de Febrero de 2007 05:58 a.m.
> > To: security@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: CCIE Security Lab Workbook Advice
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm looking for some advice on workbooks for the CCIE Security Lab.
> >
> > I'm currently studying for my CCIE in Security and have been looking
> > at both the IPExpert and InternetworkExpert workbooks. I've
> > downloaded the samples from both (the internetwork expert one is the
> > sample lab from the R&S track) but it seems like the Internetwork
> > expert book is provides a much better learning platform.
> >
> > These books are pretty pricy and I want to get some advice on which is
> > best before shelling out for them.
> >
> > The Internetwork Expert book seems to have a better format, it gives
> > the lab scenario and then the explanations afterwards show the full
> > configurations which relate to the section, give pointers and I really
> > like the "pitfalls" sections which seem to offer some good advice on
> > things to watch out for.
> > Since this will be my first CCIE lab exam that sort of stuff seems
> > really helpful.
> >
> > Can anyone offer any advice on which is the better book, I'd
> > appreciate any comments from people on how they've found working with
> > these workbooks.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Rob Lay CCSP CCNP
> > Network Engineer
> > Honeywell Network Services
> > Direct : +44 (0)1344 656556
> > Mobile : +44 (0)7974 451827
> > mailto : robert.lay@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
>
>
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