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"Don't get TOO addicted or you'll do something weird and end up in a 12-step program for IE's. :) (I'm thinking of starting one!)"

That's too funny. Especially after a day like I had today. Thanks for the laugh.
So when I sign up for this 12 step program do I have to submit a
credit application for the up and coming test :)


David




----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Morris" <swm@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Bizzell, Keith'" <keith.bizzell@xxxxxxx>; "'D.H. Williams'" <draythw@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "'David Mann'" <dmann73702@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "'Joshua Lauer'" <jslauer@xxxxxxxxxxx>; "'Bill Wagner'" <billccie2b@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:37 AM
Subject: RE: R&S Lab Difficulty



I'm just looking to form it.  Every cause needs a poster-child, but I am
clearly not a "cured" story.  :)

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Bizzell, Keith
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 10:02 AM
To: D.H. Williams; Scott Morris
Cc: David Mann; Joshua Lauer; Bill Wagner; ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: R&S Lab Difficulty

Scott, I'm afraid you wouldn't be a good success model for an IE
12-step...unless you're talking about FORMING an addiction to it!  ;) (and
you're still EVIL)

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of D.H.
Williams
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 8:35 AM
To: Scott Morris
Cc: David Mann; Joshua Lauer; Bill Wagner; ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: R&S Lab Difficulty


Scott, you would make a killing!

On 8/6/06, Scott Morris <swm@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Don't get TOO addicted or you'll do something weird and end up in a 12-step program for IE's. :) (I'm thinking of starting one!)

Scott


-----Original Message----- From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Mann Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 4:08 PM To: Joshua Lauer; Bill Wagner; ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: R&S Lab Difficulty

I felt confident last time that I had a chance of passing even though
I had not attempted several sections. I was that sure I had gotten my
core next to perfect. Anyway, I have on both attempts felt very
comfortable and never stressed out. Thank the lord for that.

I have had practice labs that were more convoluted than the real lab
but not necessarly harder. I was just stating that my second attempt
seemed harder.

I have to say that thru out this process it has given me an even
moreso reason for the respect I pay to those that have finished this
beast.

I can't wait until my next attempt. I think I'm getting addicted to taking the lab :-)

David

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua Lauer" <jslauer@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "David Mann" <dmann73702@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Bill Wagner"
<billccie2b@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: R&S Lab Difficulty


> You'll know when your gonna do it is my take on the whole thing. I wouldnt

> get wrapped around the axel about which vendors practice labs are
> "harder", when you know the fundamentals you know them no matter
> what practice lab book you use.  Buy them all and you'll see, like
> people
they
> are all different and have a different swing on the way they present

> things.
>
>
> I wasnt ready my first two attempts. My third attempt I felt I was
> ready but I didnt pay attention to detail and thus, failed. My forth

> and final attempt I not only was more ready I also relaxed, and
> finished 2 hours early and passed. I dont think the CCIE lab is out
> to fail you, it's
just
> freaking hard. You'll get your number soon!
>
>
> jl
>
>
> Joshua Lauer
>
> CCIE#16024
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Mann" <dmann73702@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Bill Wagner" <billccie2b@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 2:13 PM
> Subject: Re: R&S Lab Difficulty
>
>
>>I have failed twice now, May 8th and July 24th. I felt that I was
>>very prepared my last time but my score report said otherwise.
>> I do feel that my last exam was harder. I know the topics but must
>>be  misunderstanding the questions. I will say that I will not  have

>>the weak points I currently have when I sit it again.
>>
>> I have used Ipexpert and am working thru Doit labs.
>> Have you rescheduled? Whats your approach?
>>
>>
>> David
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bill Wagner" <billccie2b@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 8:29 PM
>> Subject: R&S Lab Difficulty
>>
>>
>>> Hi guys, I am trying to get a handle on the R&S Lab difficulty.
>>> Not
long
>>> ago I attempted the lab and came up short. I had done quite a
>>> number
of
>>> full practice labs (around 40) and felt that I was fairly strong
>>> with them. To be sure I wasn't cheating myself somehow I attempted

>>> a mock
lab
>>> and did really well on it. From reading this message board for
sometime
>>> I
>>> noticed many people say that the actual lab was a lot easier than
>>> the practice labs and in one case someone said 3-5 times easier.
>>> Well without disclosing any information I can honestly say that
>>> the real lab I took was more difficult than any other practice
>>> labs I had attempted prior.
>>> Now I haven't been someone who came into this thinking that I knew

>>> so much that I only needed to pump out some practice labs,memorize

>>> some scenarios, and learn the "advanced content". Instead I took
>>> the ground up approach to build a strong foundation by
>>> understanding the technology.
>>> Well after recently failing the lab I am somewhat humbled and am
trying
>>> to get an understanding of where I stand. Part of me believes that

>>> I
got
>>> a difficult test, but then another part of me thinks that maybe I
>>> am
not
>>> as ready as I thought I was. The thing is that it seems hard to
>>> gauge
so
>>> I need to come to the group for some answers. Now if some how or
>>> some way this is in violation of the NDA please disregard it and
>>> do not answer it, but I don't think this will break the NDA so
>>> here they are. My
questions
>>> for anyone who has taken the lab or taken it mutiple times is: 1.
>>> Did the actual test seem more difficult than the labs or was it
>>> the other way around? If so what material did you use to prepare
>>> with. 2. Did anyone who has attempted multiple labs feel that any
>>> labs were easier than others or did they all seem about the same
>>> difficulty? 3. What is a
good
>>> way to guage if you are ready or not? I am open to any ideas at
>>> all. I would rather be overprepared than underprepared, but where
>>> that line
is
>>> at I don't know. 4. Does anyone feel that the lab is out to fail
you?
By
>>> this I mean after seeing the Cisco facility in SJC I was extreemly

>>> impressed with the facility. It was beautiful, but when I sat down

>>> at
my
>>> workstation I thought that there was some kind of mistake. The
keyboard
>>> looked like it belonged in a museum. It was really dirty and had
>>> the
big
>>> enter key so everytime you try to hit backspace you hit enter. The
pipe
>>> key was tiny and not where it belongs. The right click button on
>>> the mouse did not work and the scroll wheel did not move the
>>> terminal
window
>>> but instead would move through previous commands in the history.
>>> Also
if
>>> the scroll wheel was not in the exact right spot when you tried to

>>> highlight text from the terminal window the screen would jump and
>>> highlight 3 lines instead of the one you wanted. In addition the
monitor
>>> was not very good, although at least it worked. My friend said
>>> that
the
>>> insert key was broken on his keyboard, and I couldn't use the
>>> default (ALT E
>>> P) quick key paste function from Secure CRT. Even notepad was
>>> hidden
way
>>> off to the side of the quick key bar. Although this  might seem
trivial
>>> it really throws you off if you are not used to it. I think that
perhaps
>>> this is all done to slow you down, however I could be wrong.
>>> Anyway if anyone has input I would really appreciate it. Thanks,
>>> Bill
>>>
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