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RE: Observations on passing the Service Provider lab posted 07/12/2005
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I always hope they take their time to think about giving more points!  :)

When I did my SP lab, it took 3 days.  I was beginning to think that they
had lost my configs, but then it came in and all was good...

Scott 

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Olopade Olorunloba
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 10:55 AM
To: 'Joe Deleonardo'; 'DOUGLAS, DAVID N (AIT)'; 'Mike Dickson'
Cc: comserv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Observations on passing the Service Provider lab

How long does it take for the result to come out. I thought you get it the
same day.

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joe
Deleonardo
Sent: 12 July 2005 02:16
To: DOUGLAS, DAVID N (AIT); Mike Dickson
Cc: comserv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Observations on passing the Service Provider lab

Yep, it was hard. Now the hardest part waiting to see if I passed. I just
hope I get the results before getting on the plane in the morning. 
 
I know a couple of things that I did wrong. I had a dumb problem early on,
that was fixed by restarting two routers. I burned so much time, because I
doubted my original config and tried everything under the sun.
 
Next time - I won't doubt myself - I'll just restart right away. I had the
same sort of problem with ISDN on R&S. The config was perfect but the
routers required a reboot. 
 
If I failed it was because I should have managed my time better. The problem
was a core part of the test so it made moving on to other topics difficult. 
 
Oh well, if I fail, I'll be back in beautiful RTP next month. 
 
All you need is 80 to pass - I'm hoping my luck holds. 
 
Some body light a candle or something. ;) 
 
Have a good one!
 
Joe
 
 
 

________________________________

From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of DOUGLAS, DAVID N (AIT)
Sent: Thu 7/7/2005 7:02 AM
To: Mike Dickson
Cc: comserv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Observations on passing the Service Provider lab



I recently passed the CCIE SP on June 27th.  I had purchased the IPExpert
and HC workbook.  I found much more value in the HC workbook than the
IPExpert.  In the HC all of the basics were there and it was laid out very
nicely.  The solutions were not as complete as the IPExpert workbook, but I
would rather have no configs than wrong ones.  There are lots of errors in
the IPExpert workbook and much of the book was a waste of time.  Actually I
shouldn't say it is a waste of time because that all depends on an
individuals experience and strong points.  As with anything, it is a good
idea to get as much information and research on a topic as possible before
claiming to be an expert.  We need to remember that!  These books are not
here to baby step us through passing the lab.  I felt the HC book taught me
the basics on which to build on.

Bottom line is that this is a rough track to pursue and there really are not
any training companies to rely on.

My ".02

Dave Douglas
CCIE #14155 (R&S/SP)


-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike
Dickson
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 9:11 PM
To: comserv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Observations on passing the Service Provider lab


Sorry, I agreed to the NDA.

I used the IPExpert and Hello Computers workbook.  You can't purchase the
Hello Computer workbook, which is a blessing, because it wasn't worth the
paper it was printed on.  The IPExpert WB was very helpful.  I would also
recommend that you start with the blueprint and work your way down the list,
using CCO and www.cisco.com.univercd to familiarize yourself with all of the
topics.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Bruce [mailto:ccie.sp.vn@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 8:30 PM
To: Mike Dickson
Cc: comserv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Observations on passing the Service Provider lab

Mike,
There's not ISDN in blueprint. Did you see it in the Lab? Now, there are
very few workbook for CCIE SP, so  how did you practice to test your
knowledge before taking lab?

Thanks.



On 7/6/05, Mike Dickson <Mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> When I was studying for my R&S and Security, I didn't use the 
> blueprint very much.  For the SP lab, though, I started with the 
> blueprint because there's not much else out there geared for the SP.
> Using the blueprint like you say really helped.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Deleonardo [mailto:jdeleonardo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 11:44 PM
> To: Neil Moore; Mike Dickson; comserv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 
> ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Observations on passing the Service Provider lab
>
> I'm trying something different this time. I'm going down the blue 
> print item by item.
>
> I never did that on R&S or Security. I locked myself into the
workbooks.
> Then of course I'd take the lab and there's something on it I've never

> seen before.
>
> I wonder if I'm the only person that over looked the blue print as a 
> tool. It seems so dumb on my part to have over looked it in the past.
>
> I've gone through both books workbooks, configured everything I wasn't

> familiar with. But going down the blue print has helped me a lot.
>
> Even though a lot of it isn't difficult... like 802.1Q-in-Q or NSF. It

> would be such a waste of time in a lab to go look up something trivial

> when I could use the time for something more important.
>
> I also have to say I think the TAC case collection can be priceless.
> Here's the link if anyone is interested:
> http://www.cisco.com/kobayashi/support/tac/tsa/launch_tsa.html
>
> Have a good night everyone!
>
> Regards-
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Neil Moore [mailto:neil@xxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Mon 7/4/2005 8:05 PM
> To: Joe Deleonardo; Mike Dickson; comserv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 
> ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Observations on passing the Service Provider lab
>
>
>
> When I was studying for the SP lab.. what I did was take my R&S labs 
> and modify them to the service provider blueprint.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Deleonardo" <jdeleonardo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Mike Dickson" <Mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; 
> <comserv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 9:11 PM
> Subject: RE: Observations on passing the Service Provider lab
>
>
> > Congratulations! It must feel so good to pass on the first attempt.
> >
> > And thank you! My lab is in nine days. I've been through both books 
> > HC
>
> > and IPExpert, but had be focusing on HC. I has be putting that book 
> > down and going back to IPExpert. ;-)
> >
> > Regards-
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Mike Dickson
> > Sent: Fri 7/1/2005 9:48 PM
> > To: comserv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Observations on passing the Service Provider lab
> >
> >
> >
> > Last Tuesday, I passed my Service Provider lab on my first attempt.

> > I
>
> > wanted to make a few observations about the experience, and 
> > hopefully,
>
> > other will find these observations helpful.
> >
> > I used both the Hello Computers and IPExpert workbook as part of my 
> > preparation.  In my opinion, the fact that the Hello Computers 
> > workbook is no longer for sale is a blessing in disguise.  I found 
> > their exercises to be repetitive, and the solutions to be literally 
> > incomplete.  By incomplete, I mean only half the configs were posted

> > on the web site.  On the other hand, I found the IPExpert workbook 
> > to be very helpful.  Even though the current version is a bit long 
> > in the
>
> > tooth, it still mapped well to the lab, and I think it did a good 
> > job preparing me for the test.
> >
> > Secondly, I was very impressed with RTP.  My other labs were taken 
> > at San Jose, and I was a little nervous about RTP.  However, I found

> > the proctors at RTP to be extremely helpful and very open to
questions.
> >
> > Finally, and I hope I'm not getting too close to violating the NDA, 
> > but I found the SP test to be the first lab exam that seemed to be 
> > more of a puzzle than a straight test about technology.  The R&S and

> > Security labs seemed to be testing specific technical ways to 
> > accomplish a task.  The SP lab seemed focused on providing more 
> > complicated tasks that forced me to figure out ways to combine 
> > multiple technical steps to accomplish a task.  The other tracks 
> > seemed more focused on making me select the proper technique out of 
> > many possible techniques through the wording of the requirement.
> >
> > Hope y'all find this helpful.
> >
> >
> > Mike Dickson
> > CCIE #12281 (Routing & Switching, Security, Service Provider),
> > MCSE+Internet, MCDBA
> >
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