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RE: Passed 1st attempt--some thoughts posted 12/18/2004
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Thanks Jeff, you inspire us all CCIEs -to-be 

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From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
McLaughlin, Jeffery
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 10:51 PM
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Subject: Passed 1st attempt--some thoughts

I passed my first attempt over a month ago at San Jose, #14023. I wasn't
the mood to do a write-up until now...

I haven't posted to this group because I never felt had anything to say.
I've been reading Groupstudy since the days of Token Ring switching, and
all whose posts helped me, I can only say thanks.

Now, what you want to know... How was the lab? Overall, it was tough,

I'd been using Internetwork Expert's labs, and I heard that the real
thing is
a lot easier. To my suprise, I found it to be about an 8 in terms of
labs. Maybe a 7. It was quite hard. That should should warn you to be
very prepared. When I first read the test, I saw a number of things I
seen before, as well as some questions where I initially wasn't sure
what they
wanted me to do. This is why it is so, so important to know the theory.
my initial panic, I dug in and figured out the answers pretty quickly. I
finished with two hours to spare, and then went back and pinged
from every router, fixed a bunch of mistakes. I don't use TCL scripts;
theory is why waste your time debugging a script when you should be
your lab? It takes only about 15 mintues to ping everything. Anyhow, I
five minutes early.

The wording on some tasks was confusing. In one case, two requirements
apparently contradictory. The proctor helped me to sort it out
Don't be afraid to ask them questions, and don't waste an hour trying to
figure out a poorly worded question. Talk to them right away.

When I got back to the hotel, I thought I failed. 20 minutes after the
ended, I got an email telling me to go to Cisco's web site. My friend
passed in April waited 4 hours, so I thought I was dead. What almost
killed me
was that you have to put your written test date and score in to get your
results, and I didn't know mine! I knew it was in April, so I started
at dates until I hit it. I almost passed out during those five minutes,
tell you. If you're traveling to the test site, BRING YOUR WRITTEN SCORE

OK, my advice on passing. First, know your theory. I started studying
in January, when I started studying for the written. I approached the
like a research project, poring through every book I could get my hands
Read non-Cisco books first: Comer and/or Stevens' books on TCP/IP,
"Interconnections", John Moy's book on OSPF, John Stewart's book on BGP,
Huitema's protocols book. I then re-enforced the concepts with extensive
work, dreaming up my own scenarios to test the technologies and

After I passed the written, I began a six-month lab prep program. I went
through a different technology each week, both reading theory and
experimenting in the lab. Big topics, like BGP, I spent more time on. I
all of the examples in Doyle's books. As I worked, I took notes. In
to general notes, I made flash cards of obscure commands, and made a
list of
"gotcha" items--things that had tripped me up or that I tended to forget

With two months to go, and a solid background and understanding of the
technologies, I dove into sample labs. I settled on Internetwork
Expert's labs
as the best, after doing a few from another major vendor. The other
labs just threw the kitchen sink into every lab to make them "tough,"
but they
were not carefully thought out. I strongly recommend Internetwork
Well-designed labs not only expose you to some of the "tricks" you need
remember for the test, but they should also deepen your understanding of
complex technologies interact. There were two or three things on the
test I
hadn't seen before, and I only solved these problems because I
understood the
protocols well enough to think through the difficulty. The IE labs were
crucial in this preparation. My only <minor> complaint about them is
their solutions guide is distributed in encrypted PDF format, and I had
a lot
of problems getting the Authentica software to work. I'd also recommend
the Cisco Press lab book (Duggan et al.) Don't even do the labs, just
the diagrams. They're a lot closer to the real thing than IE's diagrams.
I got
tripped up in the lab because I kept misreading the notation on the

I did one or two labs a week, and did not time myself, although I did
limit my
documentation to the CD. After I finished a lab I would VERY carefully
myself and document my errors. I re-read my ever-growing "lab errors"
every night. This limited the chances of my repeating a mistake, and was
of the keys to my success.  Be sure to be honest with yourself about
capabilities.  I mean, I've run into people who are on their third
attempt and
still don't know the difference between MED and LOCAL_PREF.  You have to
your own harshest critic, constantly admitting your failures to yourself
order to correct them.

A month before my test I took the Internetwork Expert Java-based
class. I do recommend it, but only if you are well prepared. They will
and fill the gaps in your knowledge, but if your gaps are chasms, they
be able to help.  The four labs I did for this class were the only timed
I did, and I used the class to develop my time-management skills.

As you start doing labs, you will discover many technologies that you
know well, or maybe never even heard of.  It can be intimidating, but
waste your time learning the nuances of Mobile IP or server load
with IOS.  Just focus on the core:  switching, NBMA and its oddities,
protocols, multicast, QoS.  There are too many other IOS features out
there to
learn all of them.  If you know the Doc CD, you can deal with those in
lab.  One thing that I did that helped with this was to make a list with
names of weird features I didn't know how to configure, and a one or two
sentence description.  I memorized this the week before the lab.  That
way, if
I came across one of these features, I would know its name, which is
for finding it on the doc cd.  E.g., it's hard to find "a feature that
verifies incoming packets are coming in on the interface that they would
normally be routed out of;"  it's easy to find "Unicast RPF" on the CD,

A parting thought:  I see CCIE's selling their racks on eBay after they
but now that I have it that's the last thing I'd do. I'm keeping my rack
plunging into IPv6 and MPLS; after all, aren't CCIE's supposed to know

Jeff McLaughlin
CCIE #14023

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