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Very Well said Pat! Good Luck on sept 13th, You'll do well I'm sure!


Josh Lauer


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Torney" <ptorney@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: OT: bootcamps


> Unless my spam filters are going too strong, I haven't seen a response
from
> SCOTT! Where are you, man! Are you a big chicken, or what??? C'mon out and
> fight!!! If I missed his response, I'm sure he'll correct me in short
order!
> :)
>
> ;)
>
> Seriously tho, I feel like I've just been stomped under by a clash of the
> Titans... Every time I see such a clash I want to put my fingers in my
ears
> and go "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA!"
>
> For the record, Wayne Lawson is an exceptionally all around tallented
> individual... both as entrepreneur and an engineer! Wayne is also a very
> personable, and generous individual. Wayne's personal commitment to this
> list, to the integrity of his product, and to the betterment of the CCIE
> community as a whole is beyond doubt!
>
> Case in point... He has personally assisted me in many an offline
> conversation with matters technical. But he's more than just about being
> technical... When I flunked my first attempt on July 27th, I was
distraught,
> and ready to throw in the towel... I didn't want to post my story on
> groupstudy because quite frankly I didn't want to depress anyone else as I
> was... (just a personal choice). But I really wanted to talk to someone...
> Scott and Wayne were like big brothers to me (even tho I'm older than both
> of 'em)... Scott was actually in RTP the day I took my test... I had just
> taken his bootcamp the week before too... His humor and encouragement
helped
> take a lot of the sting out of my first failure... and I spoke with Wayne
by
> email and phone... they took substantial personal time to counsel me and
> encourage me... so, they are not just about selling a book or CD's or
> bootcamps... They are about the PERSONAL touch... They are about the
> relationship (totally platonic, I must add... tho I did offer sexual
favors
> in exchange for either of them sitting the Lab in my place next time...
They
> politely declined!  Scott, Wayne, the offer is still good! ;)   Anyhow...
> Those guys are about follow through... They are about RESULTS! You know,
> when I read through the entire exam at the beginning, I was very confident
> that I knew how to do every task... the bottom line for me turned out to
be
> stressing out and time management! That's the biggest killer for me...
> Wayne's and Scott's content were enough for me to pass... but I failed
> myself, not due to their content... I can speak from experience that their
> content covers such a broad spectrum and in such extreme depth that it
> absolutely will arm any student with the know-how and methodology to
pass...
> It is my opinion that anyone who fails who went through those labs very
> likely just has time management issues or stress management issues...
> because their content is highly professional and highly detailed...
>
> Scott Morris is an industry unto himself. I took Scott's class and it was
> some of the most outstanding learning I've ever ever experienced. I also
> took a bootcamp from another vendor out in California, and they were good
> too in their own right... but, they didn't even come CLOSE to the depth
and
> breadth and effectiveness of Scott's class. Wayne is a brilliant
businessman
> and exceptionally tallented engineer! Just because he chooses to take many
> of his discussions to his own forum or off line should in no way discount
> his engineering tallents... he is trying to run a business... and in my
> estimation, is doing a damn good job of it... I know I can go on his forum
> and write him personally if I have a question that really stumps me. He
> knows how to lead me to the answer, not spoon feed it to me. I learn
better
> that way... that's MY learning style. I like Wayne's and Scott's approach.
>
> So, to conclude my extreme verbosity... I want to say personal Thanks to
> Wayne and Scott for their encouragement and support... for giving me the
> courage to go again on Sept. 13th in RTP!  Their advice to me was to
strike
> while the iron is hot...and that's what I'm going to do... and I'm going
to
> keep on going... re-go over the labs to refresh... and just work on my
time
> management! And I'm going to go until I pass this damn thing...
>
> I also want to thank the Brian's for their very detailed posts her on
> Groupstudy. These guys add facets to the groupstudy diamond (ok, so I suck
> at metaphors).
>
> And I also want to thank John Matijevic... Yes, John is mildly eccentric,
> but I like that... So am I! John M. is (as are so many on here) an
> exceptional engineer. John's personal story of persistence and overcoming
> adversity I find highly encouraging! Five times and I'd have shot myself!
> John is a very accessible and friendly and giving. He has made himself
> available to me via IM over many hours of online discussion... I can tell
> you for sure that this guy knows his 5h!T!
>
> Speaking of mildly eccentric... Scott Morris... He first comes across as
> this devilishly mischevious "I'm gonna make you hate me" kind of
teacher...
> but then you quickly find out that, yes, you really do want to kill him!
> But, not because he's a bastard... (which he is... ;). The bottom line, he
a
> freakin' great TEACHER!
>
> Joking aside... Just take Scott's class and if you don't laugh every 10
> minutes, then you're either dead or deaf... but he signs his jokes too, so
> even the latter is no excuse!  ;)  He has the best sense of humor on this
> list! He uses it to great effect in his teaching. His is a highly
effective
> in the learning environment. His content is totally intimidating. I can
> still remember nearly every question from his practice tests to this
> minute...and the solutions! And it's been over 7 weeks.
>
> Hope I haven't stirred up the shitake too much... and just when you
thought
> it was safe to open your inbox again!
>
> Hasta!
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "joshua lauer" <jslauer@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <AndyMrozek@xxxxxxxxx>; <dave.meyer@xxxxxx>;
> <bmcgahan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: <ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:58 PM
> Subject: RE: OT: bootcamps
>
>
> > I'm always skeptical when a company would say "we have a quad CCIE
> program",
> > like they grow on trees or something. Common sense tells you, bootcamp
or
> > no, you have to work at it. I did look at hello but other than not
> believing
> > their claims it would require travel for me to attend the camps.
> >
> > josh
> >
> >
> > &gt;From: &quot;Andy Mrozek&quot; &lt;AndyMrozek@xxxxxxxxx&gt;
> > &gt;Reply-To: &lt;AndyMrozek@xxxxxxxxx&gt;
> > &gt;To: &quot;'joshua lauer'&quot;
&lt;jslauer@xxxxxxxxxxx&gt;,&quot;'Dave
> > Meyer'&quot; &lt;dave.meyer@xxxxxx&gt;,&quot;'Brian McGahan'&quot;
> > &lt;bmcgahan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt;
> > &gt;CC: &lt;ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt;,&lt;nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt;
> > &gt;Subject: RE: OT: bootcamps
> > &gt;Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:50:06 -0700
> > &gt;
> > &gt;I highly not recomend Hellocomputers I went to one of there
bootcamps
> > and I
> > &gt;almost walked out there was no constructive , methodical method to
> > anything
> > &gt;in that lab camp.... I wish it was as I had great respect for Keyur
> and
> > &gt;always wanted him as an instructor ... But sadly I was let down....
No
> > &gt;topics were really fully discussed at all....  To me a bootcamp or
> > workbook
> > &gt;is to provide an accelerated , detailed technology topic... And I
have
> > now
> > &gt;since used NMC Doit and Internetworkexpert and thought they were
> > &gt;outstanding... My advice to all is stay well away from
Hellocomputers
> > ...
> > &gt;Numourous other folks I know have the same feeling there
communication
> > is
> > &gt;poor also ,,, I am currently trying to get my $5000 grand back.... I
> > wish it
> > &gt;wasnt that way ... but hey if you advertise all this great stuff ...
> And
> > you
> > &gt;sit in a class room for 5 days and say about 40 words and have a
ccnp
> > with
> > &gt;no experience answer questions ... Then you deserve bad
> publicity...Also
> > I
> > &gt;am looking at the InternetworkExpert Vod .... Does anyone know how
> long
> > each
> > &gt;cd is hour wise ???
> > &gt;
> > &gt;
> > &gt;
> > &gt;-----Original Message-----
> > &gt;From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf
Of
> > &gt;joshua lauer
> > &gt;Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 4:40 PM
> > &gt;To: Dave Meyer; Brian McGahan
> > &gt;Cc: ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > &gt;Subject: Re: OT: bootcamps
> > &gt;
> > &gt;
> > &gt;I'm thinking about bootcamps, I actually have been looking at both
> > IPEXPERT
> > &gt;and internetworkexpert stuff. Both seem quality. In the end I'll
> likely
> > end
> > &gt;up a global knowledge. I didnt seem to have a rough time talking my
> > company
> > &gt;into forking out money for all the CCSP classes so I dont think two
> > weeks of
> > &gt;bootcamp from global will be an issue. I just hope I can get it in
> time
> > for
> > &gt;my lab :) I think Paul is the instructor the D.C. area.
> > &gt;
> > &gt;If this all fails I'll likely do VOD from IPEXPERT since I have all
> > their
> > &gt;stuff anyway and I'm familiar with it. They are great, the lab books
> > really
> > &gt;make you know the material. I made sure to study and do all the labs
> > (1-19)
> > &gt;before I hit the multiprotocol ones, just to make sure all loose
ends
> > were
> > &gt;tied up...I did some of them multiple times. That said, I have
looked
> at
> > &gt;Internetwork expert and others, the only one I really dont care for
is
> > &gt;hellocomputers but they seem to churn out some CCIE's too. They have
> > some
> > &gt;training program for a &quot;quad CCIE&quot; or something like
> > that........
> > &gt;
> > &gt;josh
> > &gt;Josh Lauer
> > &gt;
> > &gt;
> > &gt;----- Original Message -----
> > &gt;From: &quot;Dave Meyer&quot; &lt;dave.meyer@xxxxxx&gt;
> > &gt;To: &quot;Brian McGahan&quot;
&lt;bmcgahan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt;
> > &gt;Cc: &lt;ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt;; &lt;nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt;
> > &gt;Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 7:14 PM
> > &gt;Subject: RE: OT: bootcamps
> > &gt;
> > &gt;
> > &gt; &gt; This is great stuff  !!!
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt; Thanks for making me smile, I was having a rough day.
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt; Kinda like having the Grand Masters duke it out in the Octagon
> !!
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt; I personally appreciate all your comments.... have a great
> weekend
> > !
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt; Regards,
> > &gt; &gt; Dave
> > &gt; &gt; ______________________________________________
> > &gt; &gt; Architecture &amp; Engineering
> > &gt; &gt; Work:  (973) 682-4435
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> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt;                       &quot;Brian McGahan&quot;
> > &gt; &gt;                       &lt;bmcgahan@xxxxxxxxxxxx        To:
> > &gt;&lt;ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt;
> > &gt; &gt;                       expert.com&gt;                   cc:
> > &gt; &gt;                       Sent by:                      Subject:
> RE:
> > OT:
> > &gt;bootcamps
> > &gt; &gt;                       nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt;                       09/03/2004 06:56 PM
> > &gt; &gt;                       Please respond to
> > &gt; &gt;                       &quot;Brian McGahan&quot;
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt; Hi Wayne,
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt;              I hate to beat a dead horse here, but what are
you
> > even doing
> > &gt;on
> > &gt; &gt; this mailing list?  I just did a search of the groupstudy
> archives
> > for
> > &gt; &gt; number of posts after you mentioned about contributions.
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt;              It turns out that since 1999 you've made a total
of
> > 36 posts,
> > &gt; &gt; and just 1 of which was related to a technical topic.  That
> means
> > that
> > &gt; &gt; you're off-topic 97.2% of the time! ;)  Don't believe it?  See
> for
> > &gt; &gt; yourself:
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt;
> >
>
http://www.groupstudy.com/cgi-bin/search?query=wayne+lawson&amp;metaname=Aut
> > &gt; &gt;
> >
>
hor&amp;sort=swishrank&amp;si=1&amp;DateRanges_date_option=All&amp;DateRange
> s_start_mon=
> > &gt; &gt;
> >
>
9&amp;DateRanges_start_day=3&amp;DateRanges_start_year=2004&amp;DateRanges_e
> nd_mon=9
> > &gt; &gt; &amp;DateRanges_end_day=3&amp;DateRanges_end_year=2004
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt;              Furthermore it turns out that Scott is the leader
> > with 1378
> > &gt; &gt; posts, while Brian Dennis is in a close second with 1274, and
> I'm
> > only
> > &gt; &gt; at a measly 833!
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt; ;)
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt; Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593
> > &gt; &gt; bmcgahan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt; Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > &gt; &gt; http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> > &gt; &gt; Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 705
> > &gt; &gt; Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 705
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