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RE: CCIE # 13843 posted 09/03/2004
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... I think I recall having a similiar thread of
emails with John not too long ago.  Maybe after he
gets 5 people to tell him to cut it out, it will sink
in??

Also- I find it interesting that someone that claims
to be so good, couldn't get a job?  Go Figure.

-Matt


--- Wayne Lawson <groupstudy@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>   Wow John, nothing like earning your CCIE number
> (after 5 attempts) and then jumping 
> right into the market like you're the king of the
> hill - all of this while passively cutting 
> down established (and successful) vendors and CCIE's
> with lower numbers...
> 
>   Regarding your comments on our (IPexpert) products
> - I'd like you to try to explain to me 
> how our workbook is outdated or irrelevant - as you
> seem to claim below.  In case you 
> weren't aware - the CCIE Lab did contain ISDN, Frame
> Relay, RIP and OSPF several years 
> ago...(Actually you're probably aware....when did
> you begin your IE prep - and take your 1st
> attempt?).  Some technologies and protocols remain
> the same while some change.  There isn't 
> and wasn't a need for us to rewrite our product - as
> you claim.  People are using it today,
> and they're still successful - as you saw below -
> from this original post.    
> 
>   Also, when and if you ever get more than a few
> students who attend your course - you'll
> realize that it becomes nearly impossible to track
> students.  We have several hundred 
> students who have attended our classes over the past
> year - and less than 15% of them 
> report back to us, so the fact that you're trying to
> use a "success rate" formula just won't 
> provide the needed feedback.    
> 
>   Be careful who and where you run your mouth....a
> guy just starting out as a CCIE instructor,
> (again - after taking 5 attempts to pass) really
> doesn't rate enough to begin bashing 
> established vendors with IE's on staff who are
> triple or quad certified.  If you want to run
> and establish a successful business - do it with
> character and ethics.  Don't cut down your
> competition on public newsgroups or mailing lists
> like some of these vendors do - earn your
> respect and keep your mouth shut - your work,
> products or services will speak for themselves.
> Spend the time, money and effort to establish a
> sales and marketing plan - quit using a public
> mailing list as your means of reaching customers. 
> it's cheap and overdone on this newslist!  
> 
> Wayne Lawson
> President - IPexpert, Inc.
> 
> 
> -----Original message-----
> From: "john matijevic" matijevi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Fri,  3 Sep 2004 13:56:56 -0400
> To: "'Joseph D. Phillips'"
> josephdphillips@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: CCIE # 13843
> 
> > Hello Eric,
> > Congratulations for passing the exam even though
> it took you 6 times. I
> > had to take the exam 5 times to pass. I had a
> similar experience to you
> > I had purchased several workbooks, but I attended
> more than 1 boot camp.
> > I attended Netmaster and Internetworkexpert mock
> lab workshop as well as
> > the IPexpert audio boot camp. Even though I did
> not attend Cyscoexpert,
> > I did research them and felt that they were really
> overcharging. And
> > that they gave some students different prices than
> others, I don't think
> > that is fair to do to customers. Also the big
> problem is with the boot
> > camps, is that they don't tell you what there
> passing rate is. This to
> > me is very important factor, I want to know how
> many people pass after
> > attending the boot camp. It is a shame that you
> have to fail so many
> > times in order to pass like I did. I really can
> sympathize, the problem
> > with many of the boot camps out there and the
> workbook vendors is that
> > they made there boot camp courses or workbooks
> years ago, and they got
> > their ccie years ago(look at their CCIE numbers),
> so they try and update
> > their workbooks but the problem is that the
> original topologies, tasks
> > etc, are still left over. Yes I purchased IPexpert
> as well, again my
> > feelings are that those labs were originated years
> ago, and they did not
> > completely rewrite the entire book, even though
> they have now proctor
> > guide and have several new labs. I am very proud
> to start my course,
> > because I have very current CCIE only 3 months,
> and I took exam so many
> > times, that I have very good idea of what exam is
> about. I don't waste
> > your time studying material that won't be tested
> on, and more
> > importantly I am not going to overcharge you, like
> some of the other
> > boot camps. Good Luck in your career endeavors as
> well!!!  
> > 
> > Sincerely, 
> > 
> > John Matijevic, CCIE #13254, MCSE, CNE, CCEA
> > CEO
> > IgorTek Inc.
> > 151 Crandon Blvd. #402
> > Key Biscayne, FL 33149
> > Hablo Espanol
> > 305-321-6232
> > http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-CCIE
> >  
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> > Joseph D. Phillips
> > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 11:49 AM
> > To: Eric Hoffman
> > Cc: ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: CCIE # 13843
> > 
> > Very good. Congratulations, from a boob that's
> flunked 4x.  :)
> > 
> >
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