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RE: Women CCIE's ... uuuuugggghhhh!! posted 01/11/2001
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Please,

If you are really concerned with the topic of women's role invest some time
in learning historic truths.

In North America the Iroquois Nation was the most sophisticated group of
tribes stretching from Canada to Georgia and the heads of the tribes were
women.
I don't think there is anything fascinating about females holding a CCIE.
If it's her aspiration fine, if a woman wants to do something else cool.
I have a sister who is a Harvard Grad who has earned $600,000 to $2,300,000
a year and is taking time off to raise her kids if you were to call her 
barefoot and pregnant I'm sure you'd find your head up well...

Man just do your own thing and quit acting like we need to have some kind of
quota for women in the CCIE.


Anybody else interested in how many of this or that are CCIE's ?????

How many monkeys are CCIE's????



-----Original Message-----
From: Nigel Taylor [mailto:nigel_taylor@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 9:28 AM
To: Varzari, Yuri; ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Women CCIEs (Off topic)


I'm guessing this what our society is teaching us..  Well, at least it seems
that we've moved away from the pregnant and barefoot mentality.  Still, the
fields identified sure does associate itself to a woman being in the field.
I guess in a couple of years things will be different......I hope.

To many smart women out there for us to be thinking like this.   Just
thinking about it, I can name three of them...  wait a minute they're my" 3
Sisters".  :-)

Nigel.

> When she walked in to the class and wrote her name on the board with CCIE
> number followed I did not believed. You can  imagine Pamela be a flower
> decorator or therapist or veterinarian doctor, but not a Network Engineer.



----- Original Message -----
From: Varzari, Yuri <varzari@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 10:12 AM
Subject: RE: Women CCIEs (Off topic)


> I had a chance to take a BSCN class with Pamela Forsyth.
> When she walked in to the class and wrote her name on the board with CCIE
> number followed I did not believed. You can  imagine Pamela be a flower
> decorator or therapist or veterinarian doctor, but not a Network Engineer.
> It was just hard for me to  associate her working with Cisco 7500 routers
or
> Frame Relay connections:).
> But I can say now, that it was the best training course I had. I guess the
> woman just more patient and helpful!
> Needless to say, I passed BSCN few days later. I was more confident on
this
> exam, then on any others.
>
> Yuri Varzari
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Libone Mhlanga [mailto:libone@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 5:07 AM
> To: ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Women CCIEs (Off topic)
>
>
> Hello Folks,
> You obviously haven't heard of my company then ( SF based ) :- the Company
> CEO & Chairman is a woman, the President of Network Engineering is a
woman,
> the Director of Network Engineering is a woman, the Customer Engineering
> manager is woman and they are all bloody good as well !!
>
> Li
> At 04:25 PM 12/23/00 -0500, Pamela Forsyth wrote:
>
> >Thanks, Chuck, for the lovely compliments.  Of course, everyone is
welcome
> >to view the cats. ;-) I think this link will work:
> >
> >http://www.zing.com/album/?id=4293362347
> >
> >Getting back to the original off-topic topic . . .
> >
> >With respect to the fact that networking seems to be a male-dominated
> >field, I agree totally.  It is very difficult for women to get ahead,
> >especially to get that entry-level job relating to infrastructure rather
> >than server administration or end-user support.
> >
> >Deborah Tannen has published a couple of books on gender-related
> >communication issues that I believe shed a lot of light on this topic:
> >"You Just Don't Understand," and "Talking from 9 to 5."  Both were
> >best-sellers ten years or so ago and are probably still in print.  Her
> >thesis is that men and women have very different goals in communicating
> >and this accounts for most of the misunderstandings that occur in
> >interpersonal relationships and in the workplace.
> >
> >I have observed in job interviews (having been both interviewer and
> >interviewee) that women tend to be far more conservative about their
> >capabilities than they should, while most men will exaggerate quite a
lot.
> >I know I've been turned down for jobs because I'm a woman.  Guess they
> >couldn't see me doing my share of the heavy lifting.
> >
> >I know three other female CCIEs personally, and several others by name
and
> >reputation.  I don't think the percentage is even close to being 20
> >percent as another respondent speculated here.  My own estimate would be
> >less than 5 percent.  The percentage of female students in my BSCN
classes
> >is running less than 10.
> >
> >Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to all out there.
> >
> >Pamela
> >
> >On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Chuck Larrieu wrote:
> > >
> > > I have also had the distinct pleasure of meeting Pamela Forsythe, who
in
> my
> > > early days on Groupstudy was particularly helpful and from whom I
> learned
> > > quite a bit - in attitude, comportment, as well as knowledge ) Pamela
is
> > > very funny. I've got a link to her on-line photo album of her cats.
> Wonder
> > > if she'd mind if I shared it?
> > >
> > > Anyone know Clare Gough? I used her book with good result for the
ACRC,
> and
> > > I've always felt I should buy her dinner as a thank you.
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of
> > > radha rani
> > > Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 1:59 PM
> > > To:   ccielab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject:      Women CCIEs (Off topic)
> > >
> > > Just curious - how many women CCIEs are out there?  This is a pretty
> > > male-dominated field.  I know one and was curious as to the total
> number.
> > > Thanks.
> >
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